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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by symfoniq »

DamnYuppie wrote: post #108
ap22213 wrote: post #87

I'll probably stop working for a while. I really don't want to support these creepy people in small town and rural america. They should no longer get my tax money to prop up their almost non-existent economies, and they certainly shouldn't enjoy a 1st world lifestyle on my back. No more 60-hour weeks for me. I'm retiring. I hope other follow. Maybe they'll finally get off their couch, turn off breitbart, and actually…

Many of these rural people aren't looking for you to prop up their economies. They are eager for you to stop outsourcing their jobs, demeaning their existence, lowering their wages so executives can get large bonuses, and in general acting like you are much better/above them. Even more so they are eager to get to work and have a representative government that listens to them and isn't trying to push an elitist global…

This. The grandparent is one of the most condescending comments I've read in the last 12 hours, and that's saying something.

The suburban and rural people who grow America's food, get its energy out of the ground, and manufacture what hasn't been outsourced yet don't want anything from people like him. They have too much pride for that—the good kind, not the kind the grandparent has.

I didn't vote for Trump, but I know a lot of people who did, and every single one of them is a decent, hard-working human being. Upon seeing, reading, and hearing the things being said about Trump voters this morning, my brother, a self-employed furniture maker who did for Trump, said, "I didn't know I was a racist. I just thought I wanted affordable health insurance."

The country's political elites dismissed people like him. The outcome of this election is the result. The attitude of the grandparent is how we got here.

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Post by st3v3r »

koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

How can you expect the millions of marginalized people to just "sit back and move in the direction that has been chosen" when that direction is one that believes they should not exist?

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Post by lern_too_spel »

curiousgal wrote: post #61

Ctrl - F Sanders 0 results. Hadn't Hilary been dishonest and, as much as I hate the word, crooked enough to not allow Bernie to face Trump, this wouldn't have happened.

In what way was Clinton dishonest and crooked enough to prevent Sanders from facing Trump? It was Sanders's 4 million vote deficit in the primaries that did that.

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Post by Delmania »

fuqted wrote: post #271
Delmania wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> . Yeah, there are some loud one saying some ridiculous things, but I refuse to believe that close to half the country hates people of color and wants to completely isolate us from the rest of the world by closing our borders. It just can't be true. You've never been to the deep south, much the south, have you? > 2. I believed he was the candidate with the biggest chance of winning that would bring about the biggest…

>non-white people will suffer Please tell me how non-white Americans will suffer from the policies of Trump. I'd think, what with 65k Syrian refugees flooding in and flocking to places like California (where I live) and backed up by policies in to land them unskilled jobs, the minority demo would suffer much more than, for instance, some Americans having their illegal relatives deported for example.

Are you familiar at all with the policies of the Republican party?

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Post by btkramer9 »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #248
huac wrote: post #109

I have a lot of thoughts, but here's one: Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump, at the expense of talking about why she should be president. In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. It's undoubtably true now that there was a very real populist anger towards the existing political order, and…

> at the expense of talking about why she should be president. Hillary couldn't make that argument because it would've drawn more attention to her most damning flaw: The fact that she's a textbook demagogue who was on the wrong side of every progressive issue until she found it politically expedient to "evolve". That's why so many people were so passionate about Sanders. You could go back to C-SPAN videos from 1992 a…

> That's why so many people were so passionate about Sanders. You could go back to CSPAN videos from 1992 and hear him saying the exact same things he said throughout the whole primary season.

This was this the exact same case with Ron Paul 4 years ago but it seemed to hardly matter

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Post by forgetsusername »

nohate wrote: post #111
koolba wrote: post #70

As someone who's actively vocalized his support for Trump in the past, both here[1] and in my meat space life, I'm ecstatic with the results of this election. Not just the POTUS, but the trifecta of the house and senate as well. That's as loud of a mandate as can be expected from a strongly divided country. On top of all that, with the SCOTUS picks that are expected in the next few years, this election is going to be…

How do you reconcile your desire to leave behind hate when you cast a vote for a candidate who's core positions were one of hate? If Trump does not continue a platform of hate, how would you not view that as a slap in the face as a supporter? He promised you hate, you said "Yes, I'll take one of those", and now say don't do that? You can not have it both ways, your vote is one for hate whether you bury your head in t…

>He promised you hate

Can you point to where he actively promoted or promised "hate"?

>You can not have it both ways, your vote is one for hate

You assume those with whom you disagree are below you morally. This mentality is why Trump is president.

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Post by hx87 »

micaksica wrote: post #246
stefs wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

reddit user TPKM's comment on the sanders-would-have-won-thread: "Support for Trump, much like Brexit, was based upon an extremely widespread feeling that average people are not getting their fair share of the benefits of globalisation. This is neither a specifically Democrat or Republican problem, and people have been saying it one way or another for years. It was also the foundation of Sanders' campaign. The differ…

> curbing immigration is an actual solution to the problem. Curbing immigration won't be a solution to the problem; it's just a highly visible one. Each immigrant that is looking for a job in the US is taking one away from the supply for an American. That is how the Trumpistas see things. Economically, sure, that's true. The immigrants take jobs from the labor supply. What people don't see is that aside from ones on…

> so at worse you will see a lot of inflation

Personally, I wouldn't mind inflation if all workers are paid a decent wage as a result. For far too long inflation has been too low and confined to precisely the wrong sectors (i.e. land, health care, education). It's time for workers to get their share of the action.

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Post by sdenton4 »

simonh wrote: post #200
lordnacho wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs that can't be exported are safe from movement. Hairdressing and cleaning for instance. That doesn't mean the person doing it can't be an immigrant, though, so perhaps by restricting immigration you reduce competition for it. Jobs that compete with similar jobs in other countries can potentially benefit from trade barriers. Make foreign cars expensive and there will be substitution with local cars. Long term it's…

> Make foreign cars expensive and there will be substitution with local cars. This is quite true, but the problem is those cars will be a lot more expensive. That means a small number of people employed making the cars benefit, while the vastly larger number of people buying them lose out in higher costs. This never works out to the benefit of the country as a whole and low wage earners are the ones that lose out the…

The incremental improvements in averages aren't what's driving people to vote, though. We need to look hard at the situation in the rust belt, and figure out how we pull these people up, who have consistently lost in the game of averages and aggregation.

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Post by [deleted] »

simonh wrote: post #200
lordnacho wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Jobs that can't be exported are safe from movement. Hairdressing and cleaning for instance. That doesn't mean the person doing it can't be an immigrant, though, so perhaps by restricting immigration you reduce competition for it. Jobs that compete with similar jobs in other countries can potentially benefit from trade barriers. Make foreign cars expensive and there will be substitution with local cars. Long term it's…

> Make foreign cars expensive and there will be substitution with local cars. This is quite true, but the problem is those cars will be a lot more expensive. That means a small number of people employed making the cars benefit, while the vastly larger number of people buying them lose out in higher costs. This never works out to the benefit of the country as a whole and low wage earners are the ones that lose out the…

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Post by criddell »

huac wrote: post #109

I have a lot of thoughts, but here's one: Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump, at the expense of talking about why she should be president. In general, making the case against someone else rather than the affirmative case for yourself doesn't work. It's reaction versus action. It's undoubtably true now that there was a very real populist anger towards the existing political order, and…

> Hillary focused her entire campaign on why people should stop Trump, at the expense of talking about why she should be president.

I couldn't disagree more. This campaign was all about emotion, not rationality. Apparently facts don't matter and that's very hard to deal with.

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