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Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by AdmiralAsshat »

My takeaway from this is that our strategy of "shaming" people into voting a certain way doesn't work. Exit polls seem to suggest that plenty of people understated their support for Trump because they were embarrassed to admit they voted for him. But they still did.

In effect, you don't stop people from supporting racism, homophobia, or misogyny by calling attention to it. That only makes them support it quietly. You have to counter it with something. We failed to adequately counter his arguments, content to simply point at them and say that they were racist, sexist, or Islamophobic, because we (naively) assumed that drawing attention to it would be enough.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by jimmywanger »

md_ wrote: post #131
scrollaway wrote: post #76

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:) The internet has been such a nasty place today and, similarly to the day of the Paris attacks, it's been really nice to find reasonably moderate discourse on HN. As... curious as I personally find America's choices in presidency, I'm just as ashamed of some of my follower feeds on various social media. Seriously guys, don't demonize people, especially by association. Refusing to hear your political opponents out i…

It's tough. I've been trying to find a pen pal who can give me some reasonable arguments for Donald Trump for the last few weeks, to no avail. Not living in the US, I don't really meet people who support Donald Trump. I'm probably living in a bubble, which isn't a great feeling--but at the same time, it's hard to credit the democratic process when you can't understand the alternative view. No doubt this is a symptom…

If you would like, PM me. I can give you a quick basic overview on at least my perception what some reasonable arguments for Donald Trump is. Another decent resource is blog.dilbert.com, where Scott Adams goes over some reasons why he believed Trump would win (going on for over a year) and why a lot of the criticisms about him were unfounded.

Re: Donald Trump Is Elected President

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Post by CalChris »

netfire wrote: post #162
CalChris wrote: post #24

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Again, Republicans did this. Don't blame this on Hillary (hint: she won the popular vote). Don't blame this on Democrats. Accept responsibility. As for likable, Hillary has been the most admired woman in America, 14 years straight. Trump ran the most negative fact free campaign ever to overcome her likability.

This is just not true. Both Trump and Clinton had some of the most unfavorable ratings of a presidential candidate for a major party in recent history.

You are correct that favorables of both candidates were low. But when you run a negative campaign, and Trump ran the most negative campaign ever, you drag your own ratings down as well. It was his only chance.

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Post by lostlogin »

micahbright wrote: post #85
dopamean wrote: post #44

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This is the crux of why Trump's pandering to them was total bullshit. He can't do anything to help them because the jobs that left aren't coming back. In four years they will be in the same position they are now but they wont have a black man or a Democrat to blame for it and so they wont be quite as bitter about it.

It didn't help that while he was "bullshitting", Hillary was calling them deplorable. Empathy for the win.

It's interesting reading through comments and seeing "them" mentioned. A lot of it will be because HN has a lot of international posters, but descriptions of Clinton voters don't read like this.

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Post by gnaritas »

tmorgan175 wrote: post #150
ap22213 wrote: post #87

I'll probably stop working for a while. I really don't want to support these creepy people in small town and rural america. They should no longer get my tax money to prop up their almost non-existent economies, and they certainly shouldn't enjoy a 1st world lifestyle on my back. No more 60-hour weeks for me. I'm retiring. I hope other follow. Maybe they'll finally get off their couch, turn off breitbart, and actually…

This is the kind of elitist, holier-than-thou, attitude that created a silent majority in the first place. There's probably a middle ground here that you're alienating by using such crude stereotypes.

They do not have a majority, silent or not, she will win the popular vote. Stop this nonsense of pretending they're a majority, they are not. Trump won the electoral college, not the majority of votes.

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Post by hx87 »

nopinsight wrote: post #71

Since the GOP now holds both Congress and the Presidency, with a likelihood of continued Supreme Court majority, they may enact some protectionist policies to appease the voters. However, these could in fact make the economic situations worse and some people would start to blame other things. Could the backlash spill to the technology and related sectors as well (e.g. a neo-Luddite movement might get started)? Note:…

> Since the GOP now holds both Congress and the Presidency, with a likelihood of continued Supreme Court majority, they may enact some protectionist policies to appease the voters.

That would ignite a civil war in the Republican party between the populists and the upper-class free-trade establishment, and while the populists have a good chance of winning, it's not a done deal.

> Could the backlash spill to the technology and related sectors as well (e.g. a neo-Luddite movement might get started)?

Unlikely, since anyone who gives up technology will be at a severe competitive disadvantage and screw themselves over.

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Post by panzagl »

cmdrfred wrote: post #175
ahoy wrote: post #51

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The working poor voted for Hillary. Trump's support comes from households making $50,00 or greater.

Interesting that right around that number the Obamacare subsidies fade away and are replaced by fines. These are the people getting the short end of the stick in regards to the ACA.

Don't know why you're being downvoted- there has always been a bubble where you're too rich to get help, too poor to afford all the responsibilities you currently have. These are the people who voted Trump- they think they don't need the government to help them, they just need the government to stop hurting them.

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Post by ihuman »

dang wrote: post #213
paulddraper wrote: post #164

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So...now we have to start all over? I know I sound like a complete d--k, but my laptop from 2012 has eight cores that each run over 3 billion cycles a second. How do I get frustrated by sites not accepting HN's "hug of death". An now HN can't even stand its own hug... Anyway, thanks for getting things running again! You guys are awesome!

We don't have more than one server and HN proper (not counting caches) runs on a single core. Believe me, we hate slow software at least as much as you do and have put a lot of effort into addressing this. HN is a lot faster than it used to be on median load. It still falls short on excessive load. We'll get there!

HN is still made in arc, right? Does arc support threads? Racket does, so I would assume arc does.
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