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Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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Care to explain why exactly?

Do I really need to? If you think that your "I'd almost welcome" weasel wording makes what you're implying acceptable, you need to reconsider the responsibilities of citizenship in a democracy.

Show me a democracy and I'll consider it.

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Except ... how the fuck is Trump going to help those people. It's like those poor, white, rural (, racist) working class folks are eating their face to spite their face.

Stop. The. Name. Calling. Stop it right now. Even if your demographic breakdown were correct[0], those are your fellow citizens your're referring to. That tone is why the left is in the state it is right now. Trump is, perhaps, not going to help "those people" but neither, in their minds, was Clinton. They are simply going with the "perhaps" rather than (again, in their mind) certain no. [0] For example, suburbanites…

Yes, stop the name-calling or you'll end up like the guy who coined "Lyin' Ted," "Crooked Hillary" and "Little Marco."

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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post #302

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Stop. The. Name. Calling. Stop it right now. Even if your demographic breakdown were correct[0], those are your fellow citizens your're referring to. That tone is why the left is in the state it is right now. Trump is, perhaps, not going to help "those people" but neither, in their minds, was Clinton. They are simply going with the "perhaps" rather than (again, in their mind) certain no. [0] For example, suburbanites…

Yes, stop the name-calling or you'll end up like the guy who coined "Lyin' Ted," "Crooked Hillary" and "Little Marco."

Also "Pocahontas"

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post #229

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Clinton called somebody idiots? I thought she only called Trump an idiot. Which doesn't seem like an unfair assessment. I mean as far as name-calling goes, I got the impression Hillary is doing almost none of that; whereas Trump was vicious.

Remember when she called them a "bag of deplorables"? Not that trump was exactly statesman like, but I don't remember him insulting Clinton supporters, just Clinton herself.

“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?

“The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic – you name it. And unfortunately, there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.

“Some of those folks,” she added, “they are irredeemable.”

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At this time we still cannot be sure who will win but all this to me looks like a big fuck you. It looks like a middle finger and it shows how disconnected media moguls, establishment, bureaucracy and "righteous" leftists-democracts are with the people on the ground. It went so far that people who would vote for Trump lied in polls just so that they don't receive strange looks or something worse. That is the fear abo…

> It went so far that people who would vote for Trump lied in polls just so that they don't receive strange looks or something worse. Hi there. I swear to God, it's like coming out all over again. That this should be true of any political stance is utterly absurd, but, hey, here we are.

True. It's like being a Nazi in Germany -- why shouldn't they allowed to vote, chin up high, for the destruction of the lower races. It is, after all, just a political stance.

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It's looking like it might be a Brexit moment for the USA. The filter bubble echo chamber of social media and 24/7 coverage of celebrities stumping for Clinton is going to leave a lot of people shocked tomorrow when/if it's officially given to Trump.

To be fair, the polls were consistently in the opposite direction. 538 had clinton at 70%, PEC at 99%, everyone else somewhere in between. It's a black swan event, bubble or no.

It is a black swan event? or there are significant problems with the polls?

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post #305

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> It went so far that people who would vote for Trump lied in polls just so that they don't receive strange looks or something worse. Hi there. I swear to God, it's like coming out all over again. That this should be true of any political stance is utterly absurd, but, hey, here we are.

True. It's like being a Nazi in Germany -- why shouldn't they allowed to vote, chin up high, for the destruction of the lower races. It is, after all, just a political stance.

...he said, to a gay man.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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post #305

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> It went so far that people who would vote for Trump lied in polls just so that they don't receive strange looks or something worse. Hi there. I swear to God, it's like coming out all over again. That this should be true of any political stance is utterly absurd, but, hey, here we are.

True. It's like being a Nazi in Germany -- why shouldn't they allowed to vote, chin up high, for the destruction of the lower races. It is, after all, just a political stance.

Your statement here, in addition to some of your other comments, is increasing going down a path of vilifying Trump voters as nothing more than racists, xenophobes, and now literal Nazis. You seem to leave no room for the possibility that while there are undoubtedly racists among the Trump supporters, and that Trump has made comments I would consider undignified, and I certainly didn't vote for him, there may be legitimate reasons why so many people across the country felt that Trump was the best opportunity to have their voices heard. Or at least that he represented an opportunity to reject the status quo.

Perhaps those of us who have been fortunate enough, either through pure luck or a combination of circumstance and hard work, to have escaped the trap of poverty and self destruction, would be better served if we empathized with the plight than many of the poor, poorly educated, rural working class are subject to rather than simply dismiss them as rednecks, hicks, white trash, and now apparently Nazis, or any number of derisive names I hear many of my "progressive" acquaintances use.

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post #188

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Look I know where you a coming from but the way the country is lead doesn't really help average joes. When manufacturing and other jobs are outsourced who are going to buy the goods when your citizens can't afford them? You have people out of jobs instead of them producing stuff and creating more business.

> When manufacturing and other jobs are outsourced who are going to buy the goods when your citizens can't afford them? The problem with manufacturing is it is not really outsourced, but automated. Unions helped to push out the jobs that were left by making it hard to compete wage wise. It's why you see plants opening in the south where there are no unions.

Sure, but we are going to have a big problem with people not working before we get full automation.

Some people are fit to manual jobs rather than programming. There has to be some kind of solution.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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post #305

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True. It's like being a Nazi in Germany -- why shouldn't they allowed to vote, chin up high, for the destruction of the lower races. It is, after all, just a political stance.

Your statement here, in addition to some of your other comments, is increasing going down a path of vilifying Trump voters as nothing more than racists, xenophobes, and now literal Nazis. You seem to leave no room for the possibility that while there are undoubtedly racists among the Trump supporters, and that Trump has made comments I would consider undignified, and I certainly didn't vote for him, there may be legi…

I was actually trying to make the point that not any political ideology is defensible just because it's a political opinion you can vote for.

So I'm gonna go ahead and call your point a strawman.

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