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Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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Are you saying Trump is not a racist? Are you saying that it's not true that many Trump supporters are openly racist? Are you saying this is not racism: https://twitter.com/SRowntreeNews/status/796141495573155840 ? Calling somebody out as racist is not name-calling if it's true. I feel like the US has become this bizarre place where it's okay to be racist and sexist, but if you call people out for it you're the bad g…

Racism and sexism are indeed alive and well: https://hn.algolia.com/?query=white%20male&sort=byPopularity... The first and second hit are from you, humorously enough.

Fivethirtyeight had a funny post earlier today mentions how white males are now voting as a minority block.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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Are you saying Trump is not a racist? Are you saying that it's not true that many Trump supporters are openly racist? Are you saying this is not racism: https://twitter.com/SRowntreeNews/status/796141495573155840 ? Calling somebody out as racist is not name-calling if it's true. I feel like the US has become this bizarre place where it's okay to be racist and sexist, but if you call people out for it you're the bad g…

Quoting you: > (, racist) working class folks You didn't say Trump was, you tried to smear the whole working class or at least the ones that voted for Trump. I don't like Trump, I just personally refuse to think that 50% of Americans are stupid racists.

I put the racist in parenthesis, so clearly I don't mean all of them. But I think a lot of the sort of poor/working class Mid-Western people are in fact racist. If you listen to some reports of Trump rallies; or if you listen to how a lot of these people viewed the 'black lives matter' movement, I don't think its inaccurate. Or if you look at the very strong undercurrent of racism that permeates all of the US.

Racism has been shamed for many decades, and Trump made it 'in' again.

Racism was a major issue in this election. The SNL's 'black jeopardy' skit was surprisingly observant in this respect [1]. I didn't expect people on HN to just dismiss it like that. Or completely ignoring an argument about how people cutting their nose to spite their face, because it included the word 'racist'.

It's kind of ironic, like I tickled somebody's PC funny bone, when Trump's campagin was all about the freedom to say whatever you want.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUe0xy-yidk

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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I'm not convinced that such "old days" ever existed. I'm open to the idea, but the more I learn of history, the more it seems like the deals were the exception, not the rule. The system was designed from the beginning to make things difficult.

Maybe survivorship bias? We hear about the deals that were made but not all the ones that fell through.

I think you are onto something with this.

I like to consider all the compromises in the antebellum United States. They show up in the history books as great legislative successes, but in the end, a half century of dispute came down to a war.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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Perhaps if the person being weighed jumps around, in which case the scale is doing its job correctly--or a very sensitive scale reacting to changes in air pressure. Scale readings generally do not jiggle/bounce with a static load.

After standing on a scale and you get oscillations from momentum which soon resolve to your actual weight. You see the same thing when putting fruit on a scale at the grocery store. You can see similar issues with most purely mechanical dials to one degree or another when they are responding to a rapid change.

But that's a bug, not a feature.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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On the face of it, this statement makes no sense. Would you mind to elaborate?

Anyone supporting trump is getting labeled a racist, misogynist, xenophobe. We've seen what happens to to people like Thiel and Eich, people try to get them black balled from the industry because they dare to disagree. Then someone openly flouting this "PC ideology" you've been getting increasingly frustrated by comes along they look quite appealing.

I've been getting downvoted all night on HN because of this - it seems that people think it's great to support a racist, misogynist xenophobe. But to suggest that basically makes you one as well is totally not okay!

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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Stop. The. Name. Calling. Stop it right now. Even if your demographic breakdown were correct[0], those are your fellow citizens your're referring to. That tone is why the left is in the state it is right now. Trump is, perhaps, not going to help "those people" but neither, in their minds, was Clinton. They are simply going with the "perhaps" rather than (again, in their mind) certain no. [0] For example, suburbanites…

Arguing to stop the name-calling is about as effective on HN as it would be on the YouTube comments for a John Oliver video. HN is decidedly slanted on this matter. It's business as usual for democrats to call people names if you don't agree with them. Has been for as long as I can remember.

Sorry, I'm not a conservative.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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Yes, we can find the answer as to why they were originally implemented. However, my interpretation of the original question was that of "why are they still in existence?".

Because you won't convince 3/4 of states to change it. And it's not worth a new constitutional convention over that issue.

We actually only need to convince another 105 electoral votes worth of states: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Intersta...

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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On the face of it, this statement makes no sense. Would you mind to elaborate?

Anyone supporting trump is getting labeled a racist, misogynist, xenophobe. We've seen what happens to to people like Thiel and Eich, people try to get them black balled from the industry because they dare to disagree. Then someone openly flouting this "PC ideology" you've been getting increasingly frustrated by comes along they look quite appealing.

Don't forget "homophobe", while you're at it. I have to say, it's a real scream to hear that one from guys who cringe when I talk about sucking cock. It's even better than being lectured on race relations by white dudes who've never lived anywhere that had more than three black people out of every thousand.

> Then someone openly flouting this "PC ideology" you've been getting increasingly frustrated by comes along they look quite appealing.

Oh, my, yes! Especially after we've had such opportunity to observe, firsthand and in detail, what progressivism actually does to all but a PR-vetted, camera-ready token few of those on whose behalf its adherents claim to act - to say nothing of those whom it explicitly discards.

We know well what it's like to be trod upon in no more noble cause than advancing someone else's bid for power. We should do - they've been doing it to us for decades. And, more and more, we are realizing that there is nothing in it for us. More and more, we're no longer willing to serve as the compliant little political puppets that people like ant6n and M_Grey demand we be, because obviously they know better than we do what's good for us. "Too stupid and easily manipulated to be helped," I believe it was, and of course we're too ignorant to recognize the difference between being helped, and letting ourselves be co-opted and fucked over time after time after time.

"Too stupid and easily manipulated," eh? In fairness I have to give him that second one - we've certainly let progressives lead us by the nose against our own best interests often enough over the last few decades. But that's changing, and doing so faster than I'd have imagined possible only a few years -- only a few hours! -- ago. If they're really too blind to appreciate the arrogance and the sheer unmitigated gall of simultaneously holding us in such contempt and demanding we lick their palms and show our bellies and do as we are told, that's their lookout, not ours. And if they're really too bound up in their damnable ideology and the wreckage of their quest for power to recognize how gravely they've gone wrong, then to hell with them.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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You know what? People as a group are just too stupid and easily manipulated to be helped, and given that Trump now gets to pick (probably) 3 SCOTUS seats? We're cooked. Basically, for most of us here, the rest of our lives will have this election hanging over us, for the implications on the SCOTUS alone. As I said, people who can afford it are going to leave in droves.

> People as a group are just too stupid and easily manipulated to be helped Do you want President Trump? Because this is how you get President Trump.

No, Evangelicals and uneducated whites are how we get President Trump, along with a majority of people who don't even vote, and a minority who "vote their conscience" with a fool like Johnson despite the lessons of 2000.

Re: Live Presidential Forecast

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I'm not particularly well informed on the actual logistics of mounting a secession from the rest of the US, although at the very least I would imagine securing water rights would itself be a significant challenge for SV, but I very much doubt the "disruptors" in SV have the wherewithal to stomach such an endeavor.

I'm not super familiar with the geography there but I'd imagine everything west of the rockies (is that the right mountain range) would go with California and I thought that this was the source of the water.

I believe a large part of Northern California's, and by extension Silicon Valley's, water comes from the Sierras. The communities of the Sierras, as well as those of the Central Valley which separates Northern and Southern California, tend to be fairly conservative. They also have high rates of firearms ownership. I don't think they would be too keen to join in on a hypothetical SV secession.
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