Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

mobile.nytimes.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

191–200 of 207 posts

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

#191

Post by moultano »

rayiner wrote: post #164
_fizz_buzz_ wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is nothing illegal (or even unethical in my opinion) to give someone an article before publishing so they can comment on it. It's ridiculous to infer collusion when the result is such a negative article about Clinton. Which piece of information did not make it into the article because it was first send to Paustenbach? Please be specific.

I didn't say it was illegal. I do think it is unethical. It's what we call in legal world an ex parte communication. It's an off-the-record communication with the subject of the article. At the very least, it gives the subject advance warning to spin or do damage control in response--a courtesy I suspect is not granted to everyone.

>-a courtesy I suspect is not granted to everyone.

It is standard practice in every bit of journalism I've ever seen to ask the subject for comment.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

#192

Post by soundwave106 »

grandalf wrote: post #186
soundwave106 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I'm personally tiring of in this election cycle is the very strong "media is an xyz conspiracy" narrative; a lot of the reasoning seems nothing more than, gasp, people actually have opinions and bias, and marketing spin is a thing. I don't see spin as a "conspiracy", frankly. There is no such thing as unbiased media, I've never known it ever. Connections are not surprising here either. It's rather puzzling…

Well, what makes a journalist good at their job is reporting facts and allowing the reader/viewer to understand as much as possible and formulate a decision. When journalists are bad at their job they make it very easy to arrive at a particular opinion without really having to understand the issue. This too is the point of PR and of moralistic calls to action... to circumvent rational thought and make someone do some…

This is true -- the better journalists and papers actually give you enough facts to allow for meaningful conversation and disagreement. And this really is what we should look for, to separate good quality journalism from tabloid trash, regardless of bias.

From my viewpoint, the New York Times still has a reputation for quality journalism. Very few of the anti-New York Times viewpoints in this thread are terribly convincing to me from that perspective.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

#193

Post by burkaman »

grandalf wrote: post #162
burkaman wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Clinton position do you consider conservative?

HRC only very recently came to support same sex marriage, after it was a sure-fire winning issue. In the past she has called for a wall between the US and Mexico, she uses race baiting language to make white voters feel that she'll be tough on crime, and her remarks justifying neoconservative foreign policy are very disrespectful of the citizens (typically brown-skinned) of the nations the US attacks. HRC is strongly…

Most of these are not conservative, they are just things you don't like. Expanding foreign engagement and the military is the opposite of conservatism. Support from established business is a pretty weak argument, she wouldn't be getting nearly as much support if there were an actual conservative in the race. "race-baiting language" and being rich are not conservative positions.

On the American political spectrum, she is not conservative.

Also, you've listed several good reasons to dislike Clinton, but

> Not only is HRC a political pragmatist, she's on record actively trying to stop the only moderately successful leftist political movement in the US (Sanders) and joking about it to bankers!

In what world is pragmatism a bad thing? And what politician doesn't joke about their opponents in private? What human being doesn't joke about their opponents?

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

#194

Post by iza »

DominikR wrote: post #135

The same NYT whose profit shrank by 95,7% in the last quarter because of the extremely biased reporting? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3897406/New-York-Tim... And the exactly same numbers by Reuters but with completely misleading headline as if everything was fine: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-newyorktimes-results-idUSK... Funny how the NYT now makes about as much profit as I do as a contractor. Maybe…

They went from barely making a profit to basically breaking even, the 95.7% figure is very misleading.

> Revenue fell 1 percent to $363.6 million

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

#195

Post by DominikR »

iza wrote: post #194
DominikR wrote: post #135

The same NYT whose profit shrank by 95,7% in the last quarter because of the extremely biased reporting? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3897406/New-York-Tim... And the exactly same numbers by Reuters but with completely misleading headline as if everything was fine: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-newyorktimes-results-idUSK... Funny how the NYT now makes about as much profit as I do as a contractor. Maybe…

They went from barely making a profit to basically breaking even, the 95.7% figure is very misleading. > Revenue fell 1 percent to $363.6 million

Profit fell to $400k, there are many people that actually make this kind of money as employees.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

#196

Post by DominikR »

DanBC wrote: post #145
DominikR wrote: post #135

The same NYT whose profit shrank by 95,7% in the last quarter because of the extremely biased reporting? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3897406/New-York-Tim... And the exactly same numbers by Reuters but with completely misleading headline as if everything was fine: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-newyorktimes-results-idUSK... Funny how the NYT now makes about as much profit as I do as a contractor. Maybe…

You talk about bias, but then cite the daily fucking mail. For people who aren't aware, most of the UK press is scum, and the daily mail is certainly among the scummier end of UK newspapers.

That's why I cite Reuters below which reports identical data. Profit fell by 95,7% down to about $400k.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

#197

Post by Herodotus38 »

peterwwillis wrote: post #53
Herodotus38 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Washington uses 100% paper mail in ballots, not online voting.

Ah my bad, online registration and mailed voting which is displayed online.

No worries, I wasn't sure if you meant online registration or not. I don't think any state offers online voting (thank goodness).

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

#198

Post by CamperBob2 »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #102
gaur wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this comment greyed out? The NYT shilled hard for the Iraq war. They even issued an apology because of it (too little too late, of course).

The Iraq War part is fine. Here's the NYT's post-mortem on that. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2004/05/26/world/from-the-editors-... It's the "that and" part that is not. There is no evidence that the NYT colluded with the Clinton campaign against Sanders. There isn't even a Challabi-like informant in the Sanders camp trying to make that claim.

There is no evidence that the NYT colluded with the Clinton campaign against Sanders

I'm not a Sanders supporter but you don't need "evidence of collusion" to make that assertion. You just need to take a look at the NYT's own online archive. They waited until the last possible minute before they even began talking about Sanders -- or anyone else -- as a serious primary contender. Meanwhile, coverage of Clinton was almost a daily affair.

Clinton was anointed by the press from the get-go, just as Trump was anointed with billions of dollars' worth of free publicity by the same media outlets. Their preferences were so obvious, in both cases, that the burden of proof belongs to those who claim otherwise.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

#199

Post by sctb »

oiiuks wrote: post #96
oiiuks wrote: post #94

lol @ NYT acting like it's still relevant. That bastion of unbiased journalism is almost as big an embarrassment as the Guardian at this point. Seriously, if I want to have a good chuckle I'll just go to InfoWars or Drudge, they at least aren't ultra sexist/racist like NYT and TG these days. If I want the news, my best source is honestly YouTube at this point. The legacy news media has shamed itself so abysmally in t…

seriously, just took a peek at the front page: "Clinton Takes Sunny Approach as Trump has Dark Warnings" (this is exactly the opposite of what I've been seeing in the final campaign speeches, Trump crowds are having a great time) "An Inside Look at Trump's _Last Stand_" (Oh, has Trump already lost? I hadn't realized, I guess I want to vote for a winner so I'll vote for Clinton) "What Ivanka Trump Can’t Sell: She has…

> Seriously, NYT. Fucking. Seriously. You're such a complete joke.

Please don't comment like this here. We ask that you post civilly and substantively or not at all.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

#200

Post by javiramos »

knz wrote: post #22
javiramos wrote: post #19

I feel that NYTimes is the only news organization that has been able to transition to the Digital Era. Does anyone else know of any other old-school news organization that nicely transitioned to the Digital Era?

NPR ( http://www.npr.org/ ) seems to be doing ok - they have a good mix of online reporting, audio from radio reporting, special features for events such as the election, and a number of successful podcasts associated with their various shows.

Great point! I love NPR podcasts. In particular (and relevant to the HN community), I like From Scratch and How I Built This.
Post reply on HN