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The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Devil's advocate: reporting on the polling numbers as they come in can cloud the decisions people make at the polls, and the entire process of trying to determine who's winning serves no useful purpose in daily life other than as pure subjective entertainment. Normally I would say we should all just use online voting ( edit: online registration & mailed voting ) the way 3 states (Washington, Oregon, and Nevada) curre…

Online voting is such a bad idea. It's too vulnerable to hacking.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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The level of Democratic party and media cooperation is staggering. Media has effectively become a part of the liberal part of the government. The reason Wikileaks scandal got so little attention is because they all, CNN, NYT, etc, are in bed with each other. It's effectively a government-media complex. Interview with Julian Assange: https://youtu.be/_sbT3_9dJY4

> a part of the liberal part of the government It's not actually liberal. In reality it's quite conservative... moneyed, powerful interests shaping the messages that they want the public to consume. The idea that HRC is politically leftist is a bizarre bit of wizardry that is completely false and helps people who would vote for a leftward leaning candidate believe that she is on their side. It's arguable whether HRC…

This election isn't Liberalism vs Conservatism, it's Corporatism vs Populism.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a part of the liberal part of the government It's not actually liberal. In reality it's quite conservative... moneyed, powerful interests shaping the messages that they want the public to consume. The idea that HRC is politically leftist is a bizarre bit of wizardry that is completely false and helps people who would vote for a leftward leaning candidate believe that she is on their side. It's arguable whether HRC…

This election isn't Liberalism vs Conservatism, it's Corporatism vs Populism.

I agree... HRC is a corporatist conservative and Trump is a populist conservative.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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It depends on what you mean by 'better'. The sources I linked are reporting on emails from Wikileaks. Therefore, I think Wikileaks would be the best source for the raw information without any editorializing or spin. I doubt some media outlets would offer any decent reporting on these leaks as it damaged their credibility (e.g. Huffington Post, CNN, Politico, NYT, etc)

Then at least link to the emails you find objectionable? Everything I've seen is just the normal process of reporters talking to the people they cover.

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/23554 https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/4077 https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/27526

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The level of Democratic party and media cooperation is staggering. Media has effectively become a part of the liberal part of the government. The reason Wikileaks scandal got so little attention is because they all, CNN, NYT, etc, are in bed with each other. It's effectively a government-media complex. Interview with Julian Assange: https://youtu.be/_sbT3_9dJY4

> a part of the liberal part of the government It's not actually liberal. In reality it's quite conservative... moneyed, powerful interests shaping the messages that they want the public to consume. The idea that HRC is politically leftist is a bizarre bit of wizardry that is completely false and helps people who would vote for a leftward leaning candidate believe that she is on their side. It's arguable whether HRC…

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Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Adding to your point: I sense they've taken a tacky and somewhat nannyish "guardian of democracy" approach in their headline selection lately. I like to be told the news, but it felt as if I was being told how I should be voting; it seemed manipulative and insulting to my intelligence and experience. I feel a sense of distrust between the news editors and their readers; that Citizen Kane feeling. That said, I thought…

> but it felt as if I was being told how I should be voting I've felt this sentiment since slightly before the conventions. Ask this independent voter why he's anxious for this to all be over? It's all the "Do you want Trump? Because that's how you get Trump" histrionics.

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Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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I feel that NYTimes is the only news organization that has been able to transition to the Digital Era. Does anyone else know of any other old-school news organization that nicely transitioned to the Digital Era?

Not sure if it fits what you consider 'old school' but The Economist has a very nice digital edition with non-intrusive ads and professional audio for all of their articles.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The level of Democratic party and media cooperation is staggering. Media has effectively become a part of the liberal part of the government. The reason Wikileaks scandal got so little attention is because they all, CNN, NYT, etc, are in bed with each other. It's effectively a government-media complex. Interview with Julian Assange: https://youtu.be/_sbT3_9dJY4

> a part of the liberal part of the government It's not actually liberal. In reality it's quite conservative... moneyed, powerful interests shaping the messages that they want the public to consume. The idea that HRC is politically leftist is a bizarre bit of wizardry that is completely false and helps people who would vote for a leftward leaning candidate believe that she is on their side. It's arguable whether HRC…

see: the ruthless domination and assimilation of bernie sanders, the populist-socialist, as indicated in wikileaked emails.

my feeling is if trump wins, it's because of jilted bernie supporters. what happened to all his campaign donations? hmm.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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I lost all trust in the NYT after Wikileaks revealed how they sabotaged Bernie Sanders and acted as a PR agency for the Clinton campaign. http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-propped... https://medium.com/@Starkweather/new-york-times-edited-berni... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sand...

So did I. There's nothing wrong with a news org expressing its opinions -- on the editorial page. But a news organization earns respect by offering solid, objective reporting. To paraphrase George Orwell, journalism is writing the stories that powerful interests don't want written! The Times did the exact opposite and had a political campaign proofread stories before publication. If it weren't such a major failure of…

> The purpose of the press is to be adversarial, not to help meet the PR objectives of those it views as friends.

Once you know enough "good" PR people, you quickly realize that the press often doesn't work that way, save a few investigative journalists. Some PR-types I know at larger SV organizations have a lot of blogger and journalist friends, and they appear to have an unwritten "we'll give you the scoop if you give us right of first refusal" on a lot of stories.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Another discussion I'd like to see come out of this election: the idea of information as a public good. http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~hal/Papers/japan/japan.h... Neither the advertising nor the paywall/subscription models are serving to either provide the public with information, or to foster quality and relevant information. Both are in fact the problem. Addressing an open-access model, with a tax-based compen…

How is this not a suggestion that we nationalize the media?

It is a suggestion that we nationalise the payment basis for media. Authorship and publishing could/would remain independent.

It's strikingly similar to the extant instances of mechanical copyright licenses, which apply to "cover" performances of musical works, in that:

1. Grant of licence is automatic (hence "mechanical").

2. Payments are automatic (handled through copyright clearance organisations, e.g., Harry Fox in the US).

3. The original author cannot deny the licence.

The principle difference I'm proposing is a base level of compensation based on a broad-based tax. Preferably indexed to wealth and/or income.

Previous discussions:

A Modest Proposal: Universal Online Media Payment Syndication: https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/1uotb3/a_modes...

Richard Stallman's "Internet Sharing" content syndication proposal: https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/3p0bp6/richard...

Content Syndication: Phil Hunt's Broadband Tax / Content Compensation Fund proposal: https://www.reddit.com/r/dredmorbius/comments/1vknhc/content...

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