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The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by oxide »

johnnyb9 wrote: post #25
donohoe wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"propaganda efforts for their candidate" You're confusing their Opinion section with their news coverage. Completely separate groups with no overlap. Though I don't blame you for not knowing. Its not obvious - and thats a problem. This is your 2nd time posting the same comment?

Well the restrictions being lifted apply to both the news coverage and opinion section, don't they?

It would be, frankly, ridiculous for them to offer "open access" and have that actually include only news coverage and none of the opinion sections.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by grandalf »

dariusm5 wrote: post #16

I lost all trust in the NYT after Wikileaks revealed how they sabotaged Bernie Sanders and acted as a PR agency for the Clinton campaign. http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-propped... https://medium.com/@Starkweather/new-york-times-edited-berni... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sand...

So did I. There's nothing wrong with a news org expressing its opinions -- on the editorial page. But a news organization earns respect by offering solid, objective reporting.

To paraphrase George Orwell, journalism is writing the stories that powerful interests don't want written! The Times did the exact opposite and had a political campaign proofread stories before publication.

If it weren't such a major failure of a key institution of our democratic system it would be funny.

The purpose of the press is to be adversarial, not to help meet the PR objectives of those it views as friends.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by 0xCMP »

Oh you mean unlike the login-wall they've put up for every article in the past two weeks? That open access?

Edit: I'm pretty mad that every NYT link I've been clicking for what has felt like two weeks has asked me to login. I was forced to finally make an account. Screw that. I'd pay if you gave me an option that made sense. I'm not going to drop $500+/year to subscribe to all the places I read from when I only read what is posted on HN and Twitter. You'd think Apple would at least help out here since they have it all nicely integrated on the Apple News app to handle subscriptions for them.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by instanton »

donohoe wrote: post #14
Salamat wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is that generous when it is very convenient and opportunistic for NYTimes propaganda efforts for their candidate?

"propaganda efforts for their candidate" You're confusing their Opinion section with their news coverage. Completely separate groups with no overlap. Though I don't blame you for not knowing. Its not obvious - and thats a problem. This is your 2nd time posting the same comment?

"You're confusing their Opinion section with their news coverage. Completely separate groups with no overlap."

You can't be serious. How people have not noticed that the NYT has blatantly turned into one big opinion section over the last 12 months is beyond me. Heck I was even going to write a quick side by side headline parser listing all articles pertaining to the three major candidates in 2016 alone to emphasize their ludicrous bias, but now I realize even that couldn't defeat the confirmation bias of their dwindling readership. In any event, I'll make sure to enjoy the free propaganda over the next few days indeed.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Maarten88 wrote: post #13
dredmorbius wrote: post #7

Another discussion I'd like to see come out of this election: the idea of information as a public good. http://people.ischool.berkeley.edu/~hal/Papers/japan/japan.h... Neither the advertising nor the paywall/subscription models are serving to either provide the public with information, or to foster quality and relevant information. Both are in fact the problem. Addressing an open-access model, with a tax-based compen…

Yes. And tax advertising (or even all forms of communication, as there is 90% overlap) to pay for that.

How would you define "advertising" for purposes of this tax?

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by mudil »

dariusm5 wrote: post #16

I lost all trust in the NYT after Wikileaks revealed how they sabotaged Bernie Sanders and acted as a PR agency for the Clinton campaign. http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-propped... https://medium.com/@Starkweather/new-york-times-edited-berni... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sand...

The level of Democratic party and media cooperation is staggering. Media has effectively become a part of the liberal part of the government. The reason Wikileaks scandal got so little attention is because they all, CNN, NYT, etc, are in bed with each other. It's effectively a government-media complex.

Interview with Julian Assange: https://youtu.be/_sbT3_9dJY4

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by thesagan »

dariusm5 wrote: post #16

I lost all trust in the NYT after Wikileaks revealed how they sabotaged Bernie Sanders and acted as a PR agency for the Clinton campaign. http://observer.com/2016/10/wikileaks-new-york-times-propped... https://medium.com/@Starkweather/new-york-times-edited-berni... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bernie-sand...

Adding to your point: I sense they've taken a tacky and somewhat nannyish "guardian of democracy" approach in their headline selection lately. I like to be told the news, but it felt as if I was being told how I should be voting; it seemed manipulative and insulting to my intelligence and experience.

I feel a sense of distrust between the news editors and their readers; that Citizen Kane feeling.

That said, I thought David Brooks' latest piece was well-put.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by [deleted] »

oxide wrote: post #31
johnnyb9 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well the restrictions being lifted apply to both the news coverage and opinion section, don't they?

It would be, frankly, ridiculous for them to offer "open access" and have that actually include only news coverage and none of the opinion sections.

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Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by bitJericho »

Others wrote: post #28
knz wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NPR ( http://www.npr.org/ ) seems to be doing ok - they have a good mix of online reporting, audio from radio reporting, special features for events such as the election, and a number of successful podcasts associated with their various shows.

NPR is a non-profit that offers all of it's reporting for free. (Their income mostly comes from donors.) Their a bit of a special case since they're happy to lose money on their online offerings.

That's the thing. I don't think they're losing money on the online offerings. I think people pay by becoming donors and then use the online offerings.

Re: The New York Times to Offer Open Access on Web and Apps for the Election

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Post by 4684499 »

javiramos wrote: post #19

I feel that NYTimes is the only news organization that has been able to transition to the Digital Era. Does anyone else know of any other old-school news organization that nicely transitioned to the Digital Era?

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