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Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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I would guess because the UK economy is worth ~£2tn. £150bn of imports raising at 20% isn't a huge impact (around 1-2% - not a huge deal in the grand schemes of things). PS: I didn't downvote you.

That's because of the London banking. Which is now moving th Frankfurt.

fat chance, some back office operations will move (as little as possible), and the lucrative front office work will remain in London as that's where the clients are

Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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He'll get the money back. There's no doubt about that. The stress is more about not knowing how long it will take nor whatever complications may arise while this is all getting sorted. Also Tesco Bank's (understandably) busy customer services aren't helping peoples stress levels either.

In terms of your first $100k insured in US bank via FDIC (above that you have to have personal insurance which is very expensive), it might take even 15 years to recover your funds, depending on complexity of claims and number of different instruments that bank has offered to its clients. For example, there are still open and active claims in case of NextBank that has been shut down in 2002, and had some updates on s…

FDIC is now $250K PER bank. You just have multiple accounts across a few banks until your wealth is so much that that becomes unmanageable and then you just hand it over to the Berkshire Hathaways of the world.

Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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No, Tesco Bank is wholly owned by Tesco; you're thinking of M&S Bank, which is a front end to HSBC.

i can say for sure the few times ive had issues transferring money overseas tesco customer services claim to be checking the status on an hsbc system

Some of the smaller banks and building societies seem to use larger banks like HSBC to process transfers.

Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

#154
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He'll get the money back. There's no doubt about that. The stress is more about not knowing how long it will take nor whatever complications may arise while this is all getting sorted. Also Tesco Bank's (understandably) busy customer services aren't helping peoples stress levels either.

In terms of your first $100k insured in US bank via FDIC (above that you have to have personal insurance which is very expensive), it might take even 15 years to recover your funds, depending on complexity of claims and number of different instruments that bank has offered to its clients. For example, there are still open and active claims in case of NextBank that has been shut down in 2002, and had some updates on s…

Seriously? You'd suggest one keeps 70% of their liquid asset in _cash_ at home?

Yes, if you're living during the Great Depression perhaps but your suggest is ludicrous. Maybe a few percentage points in crypto and cash, but most of it should be in your bank/investment accounts.

Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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post #149

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Luckily EU regulation now requires most banks to open a (basic) bank account. Just need an ID and a proof of address. Some banks even allow opening the bank account over the internet if you are a EU resident. (I know your pain though, opened a UK bank account a year ago, from the EU as well. The most difficult thing for me was actually the proof of address. Metro Bank required 2 plus 2 proofs of ID, a different bank…

> The most difficult thing for me was actually the proof of address. You don't need to prove a UK address, just an address. Depending on the bank, you can open a UK bank account with an overseas address, and change it after you move. If you haven't planned ahead, then anecdotally Barclays will open an account in branch with only a passport.

I wrote what I-hope-is-the-most-comprehensive StackExchange answer about this, just in case anyone else is battling:

http://expatriates.stackexchange.com/questions/85/how-to-ope...

Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He'll get the money back. There's no doubt about that. The stress is more about not knowing how long it will take nor whatever complications may arise while this is all getting sorted. Also Tesco Bank's (understandably) busy customer services aren't helping peoples stress levels either.

In terms of your first $100k insured in US bank via FDIC (above that you have to have personal insurance which is very expensive), it might take even 15 years to recover your funds, depending on complexity of claims and number of different instruments that bank has offered to its clients. For example, there are still open and active claims in case of NextBank that has been shut down in 2002, and had some updates on s…

Should I insure that 70% somehow?

Or maybe invest in some extra firepower?

Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

#157
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post #63

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Tesco ask you to log on with "character 2 and 4 from your password" which sort of implies they must store the password in clear text (unless some kind of zeroknowledge/homomorphic encryption magic i've not heard of.)

I have an account at Metro Bank in UK. One day I was on the phone with them, and to authenticate myself they asked me for characters 2/4/7 from the password. At the same time, they advise you to never give your password away, and that they will never ask you for your (full) password. Talk about a mixed message...

Most UK Banks use HSM modules to store 'pins' (Similar process to Apple with iCloud) which remain separate to passwords which are hash + salted

Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

#158
post #76

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The UK doesn't import everything.

Whether you like it or not the USD is the world peg right now and a currencies worth in USD is its true measure of inflation. What the national bank prints is negligible in comparison.

I'd suggest using international drawing rights, a basket of currencies that mean fluctuations in the dollar are evened out

Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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post #126

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One would hope Tesco would cover any costs incurred by customers that are a direct result of this. I know banks in the past have cancelled non-arranged overdraft fees when they've screwed up, but that's easier to do as it's cancelling a charge rather than actually paying money out.

One would hope, but again time is a factor. I've had a weird "I'll be OK soon but for now I'm in trouble" situation before with Bank of Scotland back when I was a student. BOS randomly decided overnight that instead of having an agreed-upon student overdraft limit of GBP 2000 I had none whatsoever and needed to start paying them the full balance immediately. Eventually this was resolved, but for four days I was unabl…

I had a very similar experience with BOS back in the early '90s.

And you're spot on - there are so many people juggling these financial balls that one slip up can cause issues for years.

Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He'll get the money back. There's no doubt about that. The stress is more about not knowing how long it will take nor whatever complications may arise while this is all getting sorted. Also Tesco Bank's (understandably) busy customer services aren't helping peoples stress levels either.

In terms of your first $100k insured in US bank via FDIC (above that you have to have personal insurance which is very expensive), it might take even 15 years to recover your funds, depending on complexity of claims and number of different instruments that bank has offered to its clients. For example, there are still open and active claims in case of NextBank that has been shut down in 2002, and had some updates on s…

Tesco is licensed in the UK, and so is covered by FSCS [1] (similar to US FDIC) up to £75k.

It's not so relevant here, but in the case that the bank became insolvent (very unlikely in this case), FSCS aims to pay out within 7 days, and will pay all claims within 20 days.

[1] http://www.fscs.org.uk/what-we-cover/

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