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Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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i believe tesco is a customer services front end to hsbc, so i doubt that its a bank end/ accounting problem. since its only online payments that have been stopped it suggests a card details leak, including the security code. i imagine this would only affect cards that dont have the 2 factor (mastercard/visa) step set up. perhaps a successful phishing or malware attack which has targeted tesco users

No, Tesco Bank is wholly owned by Tesco; you're thinking of M&S Bank, which is a front end to HSBC.

i can say for sure the few times ive had issues transferring money overseas tesco customer services claim to be checking the status on an hsbc system

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I wonder what the security flaw was? It is interesting that all the customers are still allowed to use their cards for cash withdrawals and payments, and they can all still log in to their online accounts. There doesn't seem to be any mention of a system-wide password reset. So... it sounds like there wasn't a widespread theft of account credentials, and that the attack was some kind of weakness in the bank's online…

i believe tesco is a customer services front end to hsbc, so i doubt that its a bank end/ accounting problem. since its only online payments that have been stopped it suggests a card details leak, including the security code. i imagine this would only affect cards that dont have the 2 factor (mastercard/visa) step set up. perhaps a successful phishing or malware attack which has targeted tesco users

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Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

i believe tesco is a customer services front end to hsbc, so i doubt that its a bank end/ accounting problem. since its only online payments that have been stopped it suggests a card details leak, including the security code. i imagine this would only affect cards that dont have the 2 factor (mastercard/visa) step set up. perhaps a successful phishing or malware attack which has targeted tesco users

I interpreted "online payments" to mean payments to accounts via online banking, rather than credit/debit card payments online. If it was a card details leak, I'd have expected cards to be cancelled, and not allowing them to continue to be used.

definitely making card payments online is currently blocked. a text message ive received says SO and debit orders will continue as normal

Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, Tesco Bank is wholly owned by Tesco; you're thinking of M&S Bank, which is a front end to HSBC.

i can say for sure the few times ive had issues transferring money overseas tesco customer services claim to be checking the status on an hsbc system

Maybe their forex is via Hsbc?

Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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it seems to be money transferred from accounts (£600 mentioned as an amount). But to set up 20,000 new transfers, and extract money from them, without 2FA, and without tripping any number of alarms is a terrible failure in security.

This will massively affect their provider fiserv, their internal team will almost certainly have to be replaced and I would be surprised if they don't throw their hands up and go back to being grocers. Retail banking is wafer thin margins.

Edit: I cannot think of / find a similar case - this is amoungst the first if not the first mass account attack I know of.

To do this there is a trace. Potentially an insider at Tesco to turn off the 2FA etc, or possibly they have penetrated the systems totally. Not sure which is worse.

Also there must be some mule accounts - right now all the "Big Four" are scouring their customers accounts for unusual deposits. We will hopefully see where it went soon - presumably to several people who believed a Nigerian Prince was sending them cash, and then sent it into a wash of Russian accounts.

But I would be amazed if it all gets out the country. It would trip so many alarms. Of course if it did not trip alarms

Some predictions - Gov will enforce GPG level encryption for every bank interaction - 2FA with Time based OTP for example. This will force a huge upgrade in retail banking - and will be good for the economy.

And Apple IPhone is the perfect host for making time based two factor auth that smooth. Good for apple. Android might just see the whole UK market as large enough to get its act together.

Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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it seems to be money transferred from accounts (£600 mentioned as an amount). But to set up 20,000 new transfers, and extract money from them, without 2FA, and without tripping any number of alarms is a terrible failure in security. This will massively affect their provider fiserv, their internal team will almost certainly have to be replaced and I would be surprised if they don't throw their hands up and go back to…

Yes it doesn't look for fiserv either. There have been no password resets yet, so I doubt it's a mass user endpoint issue.

Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

i believe tesco is a customer services front end to hsbc, so i doubt that its a bank end/ accounting problem. since its only online payments that have been stopped it suggests a card details leak, including the security code. i imagine this would only affect cards that dont have the 2 factor (mastercard/visa) step set up. perhaps a successful phishing or malware attack which has targeted tesco users

I interpreted "online payments" to mean payments to accounts via online banking, rather than credit/debit card payments online. If it was a card details leak, I'd have expected cards to be cancelled, and not allowing them to continue to be used.

There are stories of people losing 2000 pounds leaving them with only 20 pounds left in the account. Hard to believe such people could get credit cards with a 2k limit. Also if the fraudulent payments were card payments why not just reverse them in the normal way. It sounds more like bank wires.

Re: Tesco Bank halts online payments after money was taken from 20K accounts

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I wonder what the security flaw was? It is interesting that all the customers are still allowed to use their cards for cash withdrawals and payments, and they can all still log in to their online accounts. There doesn't seem to be any mention of a system-wide password reset. So... it sounds like there wasn't a widespread theft of account credentials, and that the attack was some kind of weakness in the bank's online…

could be entirely a software bug? Though I tend to agree that it looks worse than that.

Sure. All it takes is a REST endpoint without the proper XSRF checks.
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