My wife is looking at residency programs (she will be an MD). She has an interview at UCSF, but we are not sure we will go--San Francisco is just too expensive. Salary is only $65000 and we have to pay back student loans. I cant't imagine any doctor wanting to train in San Francisco. The city is pricing itself out of existence.
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My fiancee is currently going through the same process. She's going to, but not taking seriously, the interviews she has in Manhattan. OTOH, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, and a few other cities look promising. Some of the programs in Manhattan and Brooklyn are paying ~55000. She's in (we're in) >400000 in debt from the med school loans. There's no chance we can go there. (Maybe if they paid ~100000.)
Out of curiosity how do you run up >400k from med school? That number seems higher than what I usually read about.
[1] http://www.med.nyu.edu/school/admissions/fees-and-financial-...
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#33My wife is looking at residency programs (she will be an MD). She has an interview at UCSF, but we are not sure we will go--San Francisco is just too expensive. Salary is only $65000 and we have to pay back student loans. I cant't imagine any doctor wanting to train in San Francisco. The city is pricing itself out of existence.
My fiancee is currently going through the same process. She's going to, but not taking seriously, the interviews she has in Manhattan. OTOH, Pittsburgh, Atlanta, and a few other cities look promising. Some of the programs in Manhattan and Brooklyn are paying ~55000. She's in (we're in) >400000 in debt from the med school loans. There's no chance we can go there. (Maybe if they paid ~100000.)
I wonder if it is some sort of nerds attracting nerds phenomenon, or just overachievers meeting in college.
Either way I feel your pain with residency and debt.
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#34My wife is looking at residency programs (she will be an MD). She has an interview at UCSF, but we are not sure we will go--San Francisco is just too expensive. Salary is only $65000 and we have to pay back student loans. I cant't imagine any doctor wanting to train in San Francisco. The city is pricing itself out of existence.
Does that salary include the housing stipend? AFAIK, UCSF residents get a decent stipend to use for housing expenses, on top of their normal salary. May not be enough to swing the balance either way, but it's worth knowing about...
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Out of curiosity how do you run up >400k from med school? That number seems higher than what I usually read about.
NYU estimates med school costs at $80k per year [1], for four years. Toss in $80k for undergrad and bam, you're at $400k. [1] http://www.med.nyu.edu/school/admissions/fees-and-financial-...
> NYU estimates med school costs at $80k per year [1], for four years.
Pretty much this. Private med schools are more expensive than public. Plus little things like buying cars, paying rent, etc. add up.
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#37My wife is looking at residency programs (she will be an MD). She has an interview at UCSF, but we are not sure we will go--San Francisco is just too expensive. Salary is only $65000 and we have to pay back student loans. I cant't imagine any doctor wanting to train in San Francisco. The city is pricing itself out of existence.
Same. Fiancee interviewed at Stanford last year for a surgery fellowship. But it was never high on the list because of the cost. Oddly enough, ended up in Little Rock which is starting to develop a tech market and is crazy cheap to live in (I came from DC).
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#38Add them to the list: http://brighton.io/Next_Silicon_Valley
Cuba? Really? Might as well add every city in world to that list.
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#39I'm sure the congestion on 101, the BART, and the bridges is worse than it has ever been.
In the past cycles, people left the city because of costs and moved to the peninsula. Now even the peninsula is full of people hoping to get their kids into schools that are under-funded and have waiting lists.
I cannot predict when that river of wealth will run dry, but I think the companies that benefit from this can no longer afford to fund housing, health, etc. for every single employee they have.
Where are they going to go? They are going to go somewhere else.
It makes sense given that one of the implications of building and amazing global communication network is... that you don't have to be in a certain place in order to participate on it :-)
Also, don't get me started on the construction here in the Bay Area vs. some of the amazing craftsmanship like the one seen in the article.
I think we are going to see a lot more articles like this.
Oh, one other thing. One of the the reasons all these companies started here was because it was relatively cheap! For example, Apple picked Cupertino because everything further north was 'expensive'. Imagine that!