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Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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Post by hueving »

Raphmedia wrote: post #186
hfsktr wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would using a pipe prevent you from inhaling the smoke? I have never used one (but I was always curious when I smoked) so maybe it's a silly question.

When smoking a pipe or cigar the way to do it is to fill your mouth with smoke and then blow it out. You don't inhale it.

So the "you don't inhale it" part of that has absolutely nothing to do with the properties of the pipe/cigar. You can easily inhale on both and you can also choose not to inhale with a cigarette.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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Post by DominikR »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #218
DominikR wrote: post #210

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Then move to North Korea, I already wrote this before. If you want to live here you either accept that you are in a society of free people who actually have a free will or you move somewhere else where you'll find like minded drones serving their dear leader who in turn takes care of them like a father figure. We are not going to give up our freedom and turn into weak minded persons just to accommodate you.

I'm not even in your country, and honestly, I don't want to live there. Where you see people shouting "freedom" the loudest, I see fear, distrust, and anger. I'm just pointing out that no one is as free as you think you are because you always have influences. But I appreciate your willingness for open thought and reflection.

You just "point it out" to convince me to casually accept regulating other peoples or other companies freedom to advertise away because you suppose that people are just sheep who can't help being controlled by it.

On top of that you probably do not even realise that you are arguing here for limiting freedom of speech.

> Where you see people shouting "freedom" the loudest, I see fear, distrust, and anger.

Am I supposed to feel bad now? I don't, I still want to keep freedom of speech.

> I'm just pointing out that no one is as free as you think you are because you always have influences.

Ominous and sometimes invisible influencers everywhere. Best way to deal with it: Censorship.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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Post by wallyhs »

School-Cotton wrote: post #115
Gatsky wrote: post #61

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That's a good point, I am not a lawyer so I can't really comment. But perhaps there is a material difference between saying you developed a disease that could have been caused by smoking (as lung cancer occurs in non-smokers), and saying you were definitely harmed by smoking. Other avenues could be: - Smoking is also associated with other cancers, such as esophageal cancer and bladder cancer. Generally the warnings d…

Lung cancer is caused by smoking 85-90% of the time. Probably more if you add in secondhand smoke. I think it already meets any sort of "preponderance of evidence" sort of bar to just assume anyone with lung cancer got it from smoking.

Suppose that I live in an apartment with a wood stove, second-hand smoke from a room mate, and radon. If I get lung cancer, which one is to blame? How do you know?

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

DominikR wrote: post #222
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not even in your country, and honestly, I don't want to live there. Where you see people shouting "freedom" the loudest, I see fear, distrust, and anger. I'm just pointing out that no one is as free as you think you are because you always have influences. But I appreciate your willingness for open thought and reflection.

You just "point it out" to convince me to casually accept regulating other peoples or other companies freedom to advertise away because you suppose that people are just sheep who can't help being controlled by it. On top of that you probably do not even realise that you are arguing here for limiting freedom of speech. > Where you see people shouting "freedom" the loudest, I see fear, distrust, and anger. Am I suppose…

Sorry, I don't believe in absolute freedom of speech. In fact I don't believe in anything absolute. But enjoy your black and white world. It appears to be a very angry place where one either lives in a fictional idealized America or North Korea.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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Post by DominikR »

SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #224
DominikR wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You just "point it out" to convince me to casually accept regulating other peoples or other companies freedom to advertise away because you suppose that people are just sheep who can't help being controlled by it. On top of that you probably do not even realise that you are arguing here for limiting freedom of speech. > Where you see people shouting "freedom" the loudest, I see fear, distrust, and anger. Am I suppose…

Sorry, I don't believe in absolute freedom of speech. In fact I don't believe in anything absolute. But enjoy your black and white world. It appears to be a very angry place where one either lives in a fictional idealized America or North Korea.

I know that you don't. And I'm not moved in the slightest by your appeal to pathos.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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Post by Raphmedia »

hueving wrote: post #221
Raphmedia wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When smoking a pipe or cigar the way to do it is to fill your mouth with smoke and then blow it out. You don't inhale it.

So the "you don't inhale it" part of that has absolutely nothing to do with the properties of the pipe/cigar. You can easily inhale on both and you can also choose not to inhale with a cigarette.

You can with a cigarette but it won't be any fun. Pipe enthusiasts will pay premium to smoke different blends of tobacco. It's all about the taste, the quality of the smoke and the ability to sit in a rocking chair and relax.

The best comparaison would be downing a shot of jager bomb vs. a nice glass of single malt whiskey that you will sip for an hour.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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Post by delegate »

payamb wrote: post #128
delegate wrote: post #72

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I started with Lucky Strike, then smoked Marlboro Lights for about 18 years, then the last two years or so I smoked organic rolling tobacco - Cross Road. I've stopped smoking 18 months ago, but even after 1.5 years, I still get the urge to smoke almost every day.

I've stopped smoking a week ago and brain fog is killing me, I'm not able to do my job any more, any advice ? I just sit and stare at monitor without my brain working :/

Yes. This will go away after a couple of weeks. Depression is a common side effect of quitting, so hang in there. First 2 weeks are the hardest, then it slowly gets easier.

There are few short term advantages to quitting smoking - your sense of smell improves and you have more spare time on your hands - other than that, there's little to brag about.

By going through this short term suffering, you're improving your long term health.

If someone (God) came to you and said: "Hey, I'll add 10 healthy years to your life if you agree to go through a period of feeling shitty and some mental fog and restlessness and nervousness for a couple of months".

I guess we'd all agree to such a deal and it's pretty much the deal you have right now, so hang on.

Congratulations on your decision and good luck !

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

School-Cotton wrote: post #125
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #114

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I guess the difficulty with this is that we're faced with groups that are actively telling us what to do by ways of advertising. They ask more nicely, and are at times much less obvious, but it's still has a great influence.

I'm perfectly fine with cigarette advertising being illegal, mandatory blank packages, and so on. I'd be very angry if they completely banned cigarettes, though.

Me too. I'm just weary of it appealing via marketing to those without the skills to fully understand their choices or to understand that their are being advertised to, like children.

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Post by delegate »

phonon wrote: post #167
payamb wrote: post #128

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I've stopped smoking a week ago and brain fog is killing me, I'm not able to do my job any more, any advice ? I just sit and stare at monitor without my brain working :/

Nicotine gum? The danger is in the smoking, not the addictive substance.

> The danger is in the smoking, not the addictive substance.

Actually, that's incorrect. Nicotine acts as a stimulant and constricts blood vessels, which causes all kinds of serious circulatory problems in the long term - high blood pressure, heart attacks, strokes and so on.

Unfortunately there's no easy way around nicotine, you just have to stop ingesting it.

The gum/patch can alleviate the withdrawal symptoms, but you'll still have to quit the gum.

From http://whyquit.com/pr/082613.html

A 2013 Gallup Poll finds that 92% of successful ex-smokers did not use the nicotine patch, gum, Zyban, Chantix or Champix, that most quit smoking cold turkey.

Re: Smoking “causes hundreds of DNA changes”

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Post by kakarot »

epistasis wrote: post #207
kakarot wrote: post #182

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OP's comment was succinct and digestible by a non-technical audience with basic biological knowledge. If he had known of the model, surely he could have spared 2-3 sentences like OP.

OP's comment misinterprets a quote; it's great to bring up that model, but it's ludicrous to think that Mike Stratton does not know it in far greater detail than nonbel, as I would place Stratton as the world's authority on cancer mutations. He was the senior author on the authoritative survey of cancer mutational processes: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v500/n7463/full/nature1... In addition, nonbel's snarkin…

fair enough, you're probably right
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