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Safer to Puff, E-Cigarettes Can’t Shake Their Reputation as a Menace

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Of course it's great if you're replacing normal cigarettes with it. But why should we pretend it's healthy to do if you weren't smoking to begin with? Nicotine is still highly addictive and causes heart disease. If you're not currently using nicotine, why start?

Lots of reasons! :) https://www.gwern.net/Nicotine

Interesting! Tempted to try it myself.

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This is my experience as well. 10 years of smoking analogs lead me to ecigs. Used ecig for 3 years. Went from 18mg to 0 in the last 6 months of me using. Continued using 0 nic for 2 months. Now I am 8 months clean of all nicotine products and 6 months clean of ecigs in general. It was easy because of how gradual it was and that I was still able to satisfy the oral habit of smoking while kicking the chemical dependenc…

> Went from 18mg to 0 in the last 6 months of me using. Continued using 0 nic for 2 months. Now I am 8 months clean of all nicotine products and 6 months clean of ecigs in general. Congratulations! But being a non-smoker, I don't understand. Can you explain why you couldn't have cut down on nicotine by just smoking fewer cigarettes per day?

Because cigarettes deliver nicotine very, very fast, giving an instant and pleasant rush. After an hour or so the nicotine level in your blood has fallen quite a lot and you'll be craving another one.

E-cig nicotine delivery happens slower and you avoid both the highs and the crashing lows. That makes it a lot easier to cut down to insignificant amounts of nicotine over a few months.

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What stops you from becoming addicted to the e-cig for the same reasons?

Caveat: I've never smoked or vaped, but I have plenty of friends that do both. I think the idea is that when vaping, you are able adjust the level of nicotine you are consuming without having to adjust how often you engage in the physical act of vaping/smoking. The act is a comfortable ritual, a chance to take a break, step away, relax for a few moments, whatever. It's a habit itself, distinct from the nicotine depen…

Indeed. Stimulants tend to form habits. It's not as noticeable with caffeine, because there is a 15-60 minute lag time for it to take effect. Nicotine (largely due to the delivery method, I assume) takes effect in 10 seconds. So it's easy to start forming associations with the feeling, leading to the psychological dependence.

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Can you recommend any resources for this? I'd love to encourage some family members in this direction.

the ecigaratte subreddits are extremely helpful... they seem to have changed since i was using it (similar story to others.. smoked analogs for a decade, after about 2 years on ecigs I am not vaping or taking any nicotine).. this seems to be the best place: https://www.reddit.com/r/Vaping/ you can get a good setup for ~$50 then the heaviest users will spend like $30/month on juice (most users will spend a fraction of…

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It's only briefly alluded to in the piece, indirectly at that, but one of the most frustrating things about vice taxes is that they are sold as methods to disincentivize behavior, but as governments use the revenue, as that behavior falls, there's a tendency to try to create an equivalent tax on the new behavior. The worst of these are the periodic proposals for a "mileage tax" on high efficiency vehicles in states l…

Gasoline taxes aren't "vice taxes." They're usage taxes that pay for the maintenance of roads and bridges.

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Can you recommend any resources for this? I'd love to encourage some family members in this direction.

the ecigaratte subreddits are extremely helpful... they seem to have changed since i was using it (similar story to others.. smoked analogs for a decade, after about 2 years on ecigs I am not vaping or taking any nicotine).. this seems to be the best place: https://www.reddit.com/r/Vaping/ you can get a good setup for ~$50 then the heaviest users will spend like $30/month on juice (most users will spend a fraction of…

/r/electronic_cigarette is the primary ecig subreddit. /r/diy_ejuice is a good resource for people interested in making their own eliquid. can't access the spreadsheet i made at the moment to check, but i pay somewhere in the order of a dollar worth of ingredients for 30ml of juice.

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How do you know they are safer? My understanding was that many ingredients, particularly for flavored formulas are proprietary and unknown.

I make my own unflavored VG/PG e-juice. I buy the nicotine separately. I don't like the idea of inhaling flavors. I just want the nicotine. But yes, you are correct. A lot of the flavors are not regulated. I recall there was an issue with a carmel like flavor recently.

Where do you buy the nicotine?

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For anyone looking to quit smoking I can't recommend e-cigarettes enough. As a very passionate former smoker I got off the habit pretty much accidentally and without even trying in a timeframe of about half a year. And it actually started with the intend to find a cheaper alternative to expensive cigarettes without any desire to quit. The key is to steadily reduce the amount of nicotine in the liquid you're using. On…

I bought one for my mother because her health seemed lowering. She didn't like it and didn't want to spend time searching for the right device and/or liquid. She had an infarctus (not myocard it seems though) last month, obviously cardio told her no more cigarettes. She was worried about nicotine addiction, I mentioned e-cig, I got angry eyes, borderline saying it was worth than cigs. I understand their concerns abou…

If it helps, the UK's NHS says

"E-cigarettes are not risk free, but based on current evidence they carry a fraction of the risk of cigarettes. Public Health England’s independent review of the latest evidence found that using an e-cigarette (known as ‘vaping’) is around 95% safer than smoking."

and

"If you are a smoker, the best thing you can do is stop smoking now and e-cigarettes can help people to quit."

https://www.nhs.uk/smokefree/help-and-advice/e-cigarettes

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" Americans tend to value abstinence above all else, an all-or-nothing approach that British advocates see as rooted in the United States’ Puritan culture, said Deborah Arnott, the chief executive of Action on Smoking and Health. " This is true. You can see the same thing during the (alcohol) prohibition era: because ethyl alcohol is necessary for other uses, it was mandated to be "denatured" by adding chemicals that…

Americans tend to value abstinence above all else, an all-or-nothing approach that British advocates see as rooted in the United States’ Puritan culture I think that's hugely simplified. There are plenty of drugs which are exceedingly difficult to use recreationally: - Crack - Meth - Nicotine - Heroin People who use those at all are very likely to use them a whole hell of a lot, and they have terrible health effects.…

"There are plenty of drugs which are exceedingly difficult to use recreationally:"

Certainly. And the proper response is to discourage their use. But how do you treat those who do use them? As a health problem or as a moral failure?

Thanks for the HHS link!

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For anyone looking at e-cigarettes, I have recommend the JUUL [0] as it is by the far the safest, best pulling, and sleekest looking e-cigarette I've tried. The only downside is that there isn't a simple way to reduce nicotine content. That aside, it's a wonderful little piece of hardware.

[0] https://www.juulvapor.com/

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