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Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by tomwilson »

duaneb wrote: post #224
whytaka wrote: post #26

Microsoft is innovative because you can now purchase a dedicated hardware peripheral for some software feature the touchscreen was designed to replace. Let's completely forget that Microsoft 'upgrades' your OS without your permission, spies on you, embeds ads into the Start Menu, and their OEMs like Lenovo will listen in on everything you do at the hardware level. In my opinion, these are actual reasons a company sho…

Your argument seems to come down to the idea that apple products are good investments. However, this isn't much use if they keep ignoring how their users use their computers. All I wanted was the same product line with 32 gigs of memory. Looks like I'll never get that computer. What's the point in investing heavily in a different computing future than you want? Microsoft may not be any better on the software end of t…

You'll get that computer in 2018 when the quad core intel chip that supports lpddr4 or whatever is out.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by eridius »

taurath wrote: post #267
eridius wrote: post #257

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Why should they have put it on the iPhone? People keep saying that, but nobody's actually given a good reason. It's not like you're going to be plugging any of your Mac peripherals into your iPhone. The only actual reason anyone seems to have is "so you can plug your iPhone into an Android charger", but that doesn't seem very compelling to me (do I even want to trust an Android charger?).

USB-C is supplanting microUSB ports just about everywhere, just like microUSB supplanted miniUSB. I don't understand why the iPhone isn't using it other than to allow people to use their iPhone 6 peripherals.

Lightning was first, there is a vibrant ecosystem in place around Made For iPhone accessories that use Lightning that a lot of existing iPhone users already own, the Lightning port and connector are smaller than USB-C which is probably useful in a few places (I saw someone suggest somewhere that the Apple Pencil wouldn't even be able to fit a USB-C connector), someone else also said that Lightning was designed to support the weight of the iPhone in a dock configuration but USB-C probably wasn't, etc. And there's not really any benefit to switching to USB-C besides being able to re-use Android chargers, which isn't something that Apple or most of their customers particularly cares about.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by tdkl »

vetinari wrote: post #113
tdkl wrote: post #43

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> here should be a minimalist / developer centric version of Windows that has no ridiculous services on or even installed on the OS, has sane update installation (once a month or so is fine, unless critical). The LTSB edition.

Which is available only to enterprises. Microsoft won't sell it to end customers or SOHOs.

Sure, but since when has that been an obstacle ...

My home PC has a license for W10 Pro, but I run LTSB instead. Trading less "features"/more power over my OS of LTSB with a possible improper licensing violation is a gray area I'm willing to admit and apply.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by Paulods »

bengale wrote: post #44
Paulods wrote: post #32

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Do you honestly believe that the current macbook (note the 12" not the new pro) will not wanes in performance in the next 4 years as we have historically seen with the macbook air? I ask because while my macbook air coming up to 3 years and feels almost like a brand new machine - the current 12" is actually slower than my air. Can i really expect that to have 4 years of solid performance updates on the macbook? In th…

This seems a weird question. The Macbook being slower than your air doesn't mean that it won't be just as performant in 4 years, but no it won't be faster than a device that it isn't faster than now. If the Macbook is fast enough for someone now, and their workload doesn't change, then yes, I'd expect it to be just fine for them in 4 years; just as the same can be said for the Air, or the others.

Thats kind of my point. Its been almost 4 years and apple hasn't made the devices (at the same price bracket) any more performant.

Will the software they make over the next 4 years stay at the same level of requirements and run just as smoothly as everything seems to run on my air after 3 years?

I am not sure that is the case looking at how the OS is moving and how they are treating performance.

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Post by croon »

eridius wrote: post #257
croon wrote: post #80

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No, USB-C will be standard. What happened to Thunderbolt is what will happen to Lightning. USB-C is here to stay, and they should've put it in iPhone 7 as well.

Why should they have put it on the iPhone? People keep saying that, but nobody's actually given a good reason. It's not like you're going to be plugging any of your Mac peripherals into your iPhone. The only actual reason anyone seems to have is "so you can plug your iPhone into an Android charger", but that doesn't seem very compelling to me (do I even want to trust an Android charger?).

Do I want one cable to charge my old macbook, one for my iphone 7 work phone, and one for my private pixel xl, or do i want one cable that can charge them all (the new macbook and the android phone now works)? or maybe 2 for a spare? And speaking of spares, I always have one extra at home to replace any that get broken. Having the same standard everywhere means I need only one spare. Instead of one spare per type.

> do I even want to trust an Android charger?

I don't know what this means. I'm reading this as "Do I even trust a USB-C charger", which you can safely do if you buy something that adheres to the standards. A lot of chinese knock-offs don't, but the point of standards is that you shouldn't have to care.

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Post by TACIXAT »

eridius wrote: post #254
TACIXAT wrote: post #104

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I had a MBP a few years ago. I installed the Boot Camp beta. When it went out of beta it locked up with no ability to change the configuration or installed OSs. The solution was to upgrade (30$) to the latest version of OS X. Which meant I lost all the software that came with the laptop since I didn't want to pay for it again. I had an iPod touch. When I was using it on a certain network it couldn't hit the NTP serve…

> When I was using it on a certain network it couldn't hit the NTP servers. This set the time to 1970 This doesn't make sense. No device resets its time to 1970 when it can't hit NTP servers.

I took a video - https://youtu.be/GAFh8j8pCaQ?t=21s

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Post by huxley »

UnoriginalGuy wrote: post #158
cygned wrote: post #103

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I have spent twice the money you stated for a new MacBook Pro 13". I'd say, the primary point is "it just works". I know, once it's been delivered, I'll install a couple of tools, transfer some files and it will work. It won't get slower, it won't crash, the hardware won't break. And I don't have to waste time keeping that thing alive. Maybe I was just lucky with my previous Macs but that's the experience I've had in…

The latest iPhone literally cannot plug into the latest MBPs. The MBP also lacks the chip the AirPods need to work smoothly. I think it is safe to say "just works" is officially dead at Apple.

You can retire the AirPods argument.

The W1 chip is in the AirPods, the device that it connects to doesn't need to have a W1, the only requirement is OS support, that includes Macs running Sierra.

Under system requirements: "Mac models with macOS Sierra or later"

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Post by mercurysmessage »

jamesrcole wrote: post #230
mercurysmessage wrote: post #227

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It's just that you will always have a better connection and be able to send more over a wire. cat5/6/7 vs. wifi, wired vs. wireless power, etc. Surely you've seen a speed difference with a wired internet connection compared to wireless?

The issue is really: how much do you need to be able to send before you reach the limits of human hearing (our ability to distinguish any differences), and will wireless be able to cater to that or a reasonable approximation to that? > Surely you've seen a speed difference with a wired internet connection compared to wireless? yeah, but note also that what I was responding to was you saying wireless would never have…

That's a good point. If we are talking about the quality being indistinguishable to humans, it is probably possible at some point. Although I will probably stick with wired for a long time, as I have a nice wired headset, and I don't like the thought of my headphones not being charged!

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Post by module0000 »

lmm wrote: post #57
whytaka wrote: post #26

Microsoft is innovative because you can now purchase a dedicated hardware peripheral for some software feature the touchscreen was designed to replace. Let's completely forget that Microsoft 'upgrades' your OS without your permission, spies on you, embeds ads into the Start Menu, and their OEMs like Lenovo will listen in on everything you do at the hardware level. In my opinion, these are actual reasons a company sho…

> spies on you Any reason to believe MS does this more than Apple does? > their OEMs like Lenovo will listen in on everything you do at the hardware level. MS making their own hardware looks to be at least partially a response to that. > - build quality machines that seemingly never wanes in performance while provide enduring support that make them last so much longer than their competitors that it shifts the arithme…

> You're still not allowed to run their OS in a VM

Yes you are, for several years now(I realize this was not always the case). You can find the explicit allowances for doing so by searching for "virtual machine" in their license:

http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macOS1012.pdf

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by jeeva »

module0000 wrote: post #279
lmm wrote: post #57

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> spies on you Any reason to believe MS does this more than Apple does? > their OEMs like Lenovo will listen in on everything you do at the hardware level. MS making their own hardware looks to be at least partially a response to that. > - build quality machines that seemingly never wanes in performance while provide enduring support that make them last so much longer than their competitors that it shifts the arithme…

> You're still not allowed to run their OS in a VM Yes you are, for several years now(I realize this was not always the case). You can find the explicit allowances for doing so by searching for "virtual machine" in their license: http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/macOS1012.pdf

So, based on what I just skimmed by searching for "virtual", it's exactly what I remembered: You're allowed to run a VM of OS/X only on licensed OS/X?

Amusingly, this is the method that most hackintosh-style OS/X VMs work - by taking the config from a OS/X version of VMWare Workstation and adding it to the Windows / Linux install.

However, that's no longer licensed (and to me, the main advantage of running a VM here is to be able to test stuff in OS/X when I don't otherwise have access - i.e. on a Windows machine).

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