"[comma.ai} was functionally superior and theoretically safer than the ten legacy manufacturer systems" A journalist on record saying "theoretically safer" literally makes my hair stand up on end.
Relax. Alex Roy is not "a journalist".
The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's no indication, period, but it would be one of the safer assumptions.
No, it's just a wrong assumption. They're still selling the pre-made liquid, they just stopped their bars and powder products proactively, even though they couldn't reproduce the issue in testing. Do you even know anything about their production methods?
> Do you even know anything about their production methods?
Hence the purpose of regulations...
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
You think maybe part of why there haven't been more numerous malfunctions might be because of rigorous NHSTA testing of various parts of the automobile? Also just because a person on birth control gets pregnant doesn't mean we start pushing pills with unknown success rates in order to get people to use condoms.
If you're imagining that autopilot is anything more than driver assist technology, then there already is numerous malfunctions, autopilot fucks up regularly. With or without NHTSAs involvement, Autopilot (or Comma one) wasn't designed to be safety critical autonomous driving technology. NHTSA has about as much business regulating it as it does regulating whether or not you can hang dice on your rear view mirror. If i…
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
What in the fucking hell are you talking about? A system that is seemingly half blind (repeatedly crashes into vehicles that only partially obstruct the lane), decapitates a guy, crashes another one into a fucking post It didn't work too well. It pretended to work too well and gotten people killed. There is a reason MobileEye walked away from Tesla They are being rather cavalier with their attitude to safety, apparen…
One fatality in 200 million miles of driving reflects a cavalier attitude to safety? It's not like the guy who died in that accident wasn't familiar with autopilot's reccommended usage, he read the manual, Tesla made it pretty clear you still gotta watch the road while it's engaged. I mean, if you're into misusing cars, any of them will allow you to accelerate into a brick wall if that's your inclination. I'm not sur…
There is at least 1 other death in China where autopilot is cited as the cause, and there are many other accidents in China which are not widely reported in the United States (it's easy to find several on Google though, many of which are even posted on YouTube with video proof).
Statistically speaking, Tesla's autopilot is more dangerous than regular driving. They spun bad statistics to claim otherwise. They ignored the difference between highway driving (which is safer) and all driving, and ignored demographics (most Tesla drivers are older and affluent).
It is too early to really draw many conclusions about autopilot, because there is actually very little data. Comparing the number of miles driven by Tesla to the number of miles driven by all other cars in one year is a difference of several orders of magnitude. But they are under investigation, and as more time passes the more damning it seems for Tesla.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
One fatality in 200 million miles of driving reflects a cavalier attitude to safety? It's not like the guy who died in that accident wasn't familiar with autopilot's reccommended usage, he read the manual, Tesla made it pretty clear you still gotta watch the road while it's engaged. I mean, if you're into misusing cars, any of them will allow you to accelerate into a brick wall if that's your inclination. I'm not sur…
There is at least 1 other death in China where autopilot is cited as the cause, and there are many other accidents in China which are not widely reported in the United States (it's easy to find several on Google though, many of which are even posted on YouTube with video proof). Statistically speaking, Tesla's autopilot is more dangerous than regular driving. They spun bad statistics to claim otherwise. They ignored…
It's true that there's too little data to draw conclusions. A Toyota spokesperson claimed we'd need about 8 billion km of autonomous driving to draw statidtically relevant data. and of course, by the time a single company, or even all companies combined have gathered that many miles the technology will have progressed and the early data will be irrelevant.
Safety arguments are only meaningful in these sorts of abstract discusssions, though. Keep in mind that when we decided to place the automobile at the centre of American life in the early postwar era, fatalities per vehicle mile travelled were 10x what they are today. We didn't do it because it was safe, we did it because cars are cool, and some big companies stood to make a lot of money.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
China has the same level of regulation as other industrialized countries. If it doesn't pass in the US it won't pass in China either.
> China has the same level of regulation as other industrialized countries. I have to assume you've never driven or been driven in a major Chinese city, because while this may be technically true in practice it is very much not. Cars on the road in China are often lacking in terms of safety. It is something of a moot point, because I don't see how any self driving car system could perform in Beijing traffic condition…
Regulation. I live in China since 2010.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
China has the same level of regulation as other industrialized countries. If it doesn't pass in the US it won't pass in China either.
If they can't get it to drive in the US, I doubt it'll be able to navigate most big cities in Asia. (Maybe a few of those ghost ones.) I think what's attractive about China may not be its lax regulatory environment with regard to transportation, but rather in regard to investment.
China doesn't have a lax regulatory environment. You're right that what attracts is $.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
The questions were reasonable, but the cover letter was very negative. Could you point me to comments with first hand NHTSA experience? I didn't see any.
The cover letter was very "do not blow off the NHTSA". One commenter who had experience with NHTSA provided examples of orders they sent other companies with similar language.
I assume you mean this comment? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12819423
The listed special orders were the pretext to $70m, $35m and $105m fines. Doesn't inspire confidence.
It might just be reporting bias, but I couldn't find an example of a special order that wasn't associated with a massive scandal.
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#109The letter sent by NHTSA to Comma.ai[1]. I'm a layman but to me the penal provisions ($21k/day up to $105M for not responding by 11/10, prison sentence of 15 years for falsifying/withholding information) sound kinda harsh. Can someone confirm that these conditions are standard in requests of this type?
[1] https://www.scribd.com/document/329218929/2016-10-27-Special...
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#110I guess that being a brilliant hacker doesn't necessarily make you an engineer.