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The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by M_Grey »

krschultz wrote: post #32
M_Grey wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's next? Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? So... Soylent? >Disrupting the medicine-industry... So... Theranos?

Only this would be worse. Someone can choose to buy Soylent or use Theranos for themselves and no one else gets hurt. If you a person buys a crappy self driving car system it could kill me, a totally unrelated person. I don't care how much of a libertarian you are, that's exactly the reason why we have regulations.

I agree with you, I'm just pointing out that we're already in the age of profitable, harmful bullshit.

As for me, I'm not one of those deluded fools who believes in the law of jungle, and that I wouldn't be dog food in that jungle.

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by TylerE »

bertil wrote: post #34
donmatito wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You would have won so much Irony Points if only you had written "Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Disrupting the medicine industry with revolutionary tests without sufficient scientific validation?"

> Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? Sounds like Menu Next Door, who had to deal with regulation meant for restaurants when trying to be the AirBnB of food. Things like you had to have a warning about washing your hands in your own private kitchen.

It's a reference to Soylent.

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by M_Grey »

bertil wrote: post #36
M_Grey wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's next? Producing food without following proper hygiene regulations? So... Soylent? >Disrupting the medicine-industry... So... Theranos?

Technically, Soylent abides by regulations: they sell flaxseed mixed with peas and oat (I think: I’m in Europe and eat Huel, which has mostly those). None of those are not well-known food sources. There are no regulation about claiming that eating nothing but that is safe; they should (at least, Huel does) have the recommended daily doses of each major molecule on the bag.

I'm thinking more about their recent recalls and stoppage.

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by djrogers »

M_Grey wrote: post #43
bertil wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technically, Soylent abides by regulations: they sell flaxseed mixed with peas and oat (I think: I’m in Europe and eat Huel, which has mostly those). None of those are not well-known food sources. There are no regulation about claiming that eating nothing but that is safe; they should (at least, Huel does) have the recommended daily doses of each major molecule on the bag.

I'm thinking more about their recent recalls and stoppage.

There's no indication that those were related to not following existing food production regulations...

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by M_Grey »

djrogers wrote: post #44
M_Grey wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm thinking more about their recent recalls and stoppage.

There's no indication that those were related to not following existing food production regulations...

There's no indication, period, but it would be one of the safer assumptions.

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by agumonkey »

noonespecial wrote: post #2

There's 2 possible reasons. 1) It really is near vaporware just being shown off in perfect conditions to seem exceptional. 2) It actually does work that much better with only $1000 worth of hardware and responding would give away the secret sauce. I don't give much credit to the theory that they didn't see this coming and were caught flat-footed by the sudden requirements. Oh and: Final speculation: there’s a reason…

I have yet to see the simplest proof that comma ai work is just a cute trained NN over a camera, piped to basic controls, with some potential creative ideas (in a conf, hotz mentioned working on time based depth inference instead of the traditional stereo camera setup).

I'm biased for conservative companies, I have no idea what they're doing and how much resources. Maybe they're doing something at the same level. I believe they have more refined physics model to compute surroundings and car physics in a way to ensure sane and safe behaviour. Exception made of Tesla AP, which I always found borderline lying.

The medias and the crowd seeems to believe wild hacking and current year tech is giving you better products, but physics are physics. I'm still waiting for a proof of solid math, system and safety engineering there.

psedit; I forgot, I peaked at commaai github repo, the NN code is way above my head and what I could imagine, so I have to give hotz' team that.

Some people really have magic auras.

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by 6stringmerc »

Hm, well the article certainly is flattering toward Hotz, the project, and the impression (having first-hand experience with several systems does strike me as important).

Still pretty staunchly of the opinion over here that he's got something worth still working on and this isn't the last of it. AKA contrary to a good number of comments which basically say he's either a fraud, huckster, or otherwise dumb for not being interested/willing/prepared to engage with the NHTSA at this stage.

Eh time will tell, right?

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by taneq »

I think it's far more likely that the NHTSA was caught flat-footed by Tesla's autopilot system, and didn't react in time, with fatal results. Now they're seeing a scrappy startup trying to dive into the same space where multi-billion-dollar car companies ought to fear to tread, and they've done their best to nip it in the bud before every tom dick and harry with a webcam and a graphics card starts trying to send their car on solo missions.

Re: The Cancelled Comma One Would Have Embarrassed the Car Industry

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Post by stale2002 »

forgottenpass wrote: post #8
kesselvon wrote: post #5

This is a bit of weak spin on the obvious news that they probably couldn't comply with the government requirements.

3M+ in investment and Atlas over here would rather shrug than hire a lawyer and someone to put together quality management systems? Bulllllllshiiiiit.

Or maybe they'd rather just start selling their product immediately in China?
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