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Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by delegate »

kaielvin wrote: post #41
delegate wrote: post #37

I wonder how much propaganda do we read every day ? Tip: A lot. I think that almost every piece of information which is not pure art or mathematical formulas - is some sort of propaganda.. Meaning someone somewhere is pushing his own agenda, directly or indirectly. It is strategically wise for Apple competitors to put out all kinds of negative articles right now. Apple does something unpopular - use that as a lever t…

Isn't it was business and politics have always been about ?

Of course they have ! The difference is that now we have all this technological means to spread the messages faster and to an wider audience.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by fuj »

whytaka wrote: post #26

Microsoft is innovative because you can now purchase a dedicated hardware peripheral for some software feature the touchscreen was designed to replace. Let's completely forget that Microsoft 'upgrades' your OS without your permission, spies on you, embeds ads into the Start Menu, and their OEMs like Lenovo will listen in on everything you do at the hardware level. In my opinion, these are actual reasons a company sho…

On your way, your shepherd Tim is calling you

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by delegate »

dstryr wrote: post #56
delegate wrote: post #37

I wonder how much propaganda do we read every day ? Tip: A lot. I think that almost every piece of information which is not pure art or mathematical formulas - is some sort of propaganda.. Meaning someone somewhere is pushing his own agenda, directly or indirectly. It is strategically wise for Apple competitors to put out all kinds of negative articles right now. Apple does something unpopular - use that as a lever t…

I agree with you that we are constantly bombarded with propaganda, but a lot of the backlash is coming from long-time Apple users such as myself, who feel that Apple is no longer making computers for us. And you know what? That's perfectly fine, they're a business and are catering to the high end where the margins are best. The proof is littered all over HN and Reddit where blog posts all begin with the same defense,…

I've also been using Apple computers since Apple II. I've had every Apple PC, iPod and iPhone and I've been a loyal fan and loved it.

But these are just words. Actually, I just lied, but you would have probably believed me, because, why would I lie in a comment ? Well, why not ? :) I got my first ever Mac in 2008 and I've only owned an iPhone 5 and 6.

So truth and falsehood on the internet is very cheap - it costs nothing to write something outrageous - and people would probably not even notice it.

Being paid to write a lie ? Easy money...

But I totally agree on the need for an open source alternative to Apple.

I'd also like to see an open source version of UIKit..

With Swift being open source, I think people are already working on it. You'll have an army of iOS devs ready to build cool Linux applications in their favourite language, using familiar UI concepts. I'd love to get involved into something like this ;).

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by Philipp__ »

okonomiyaki3000 wrote: post #29
Philipp__ wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh... BeOS. Too bad I was born in mid 90s so I didn't get the chance to play with those systems properly. I read about them, a lot, and it seems amazing what does guys achieved with their system. They were really ahead of the curve in some aspects, but in the others... Oh well, it was OS for nerds and enthusiasts mostly.

Here you go, nerd. https://www.haiku-os.org/

I know about this, tried it few years ago, will do it again when I find enough free time to play with it in VM.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by erikbye »

rorykoehler wrote: post #52

Apple's ace is osx or macos as it's now called. Without this they would be struggling in the professional computing market. They are already starting to drop the ball on the hardware front. Luckily for them it will take far longer to destroy osx.

Will it take far longer? I don't know... if they continue this push of implementing mobile features on macOS, trying to make it more and more like iOS. This seems like it could be a very effective way of alienating even more pro users. To an extent it has already happened.

Seems like Apple has become unwilling to spend resources on features pro users want.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by aRationalMoose »

whytaka wrote: post #26

Microsoft is innovative because you can now purchase a dedicated hardware peripheral for some software feature the touchscreen was designed to replace. Let's completely forget that Microsoft 'upgrades' your OS without your permission, spies on you, embeds ads into the Start Menu, and their OEMs like Lenovo will listen in on everything you do at the hardware level. In my opinion, these are actual reasons a company sho…

Preach!

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by lagadu »

Paulods wrote: post #32
whytaka wrote: post #26

Microsoft is innovative because you can now purchase a dedicated hardware peripheral for some software feature the touchscreen was designed to replace. Let's completely forget that Microsoft 'upgrades' your OS without your permission, spies on you, embeds ads into the Start Menu, and their OEMs like Lenovo will listen in on everything you do at the hardware level. In my opinion, these are actual reasons a company sho…

Do you honestly believe that the current macbook (note the 12" not the new pro) will not wanes in performance in the next 4 years as we have historically seen with the macbook air? I ask because while my macbook air coming up to 3 years and feels almost like a brand new machine - the current 12" is actually slower than my air. Can i really expect that to have 4 years of solid performance updates on the macbook? In th…

As a fellow Air owner I feel exactly the same way. I like new toys but looking around between the macbooks and macbooks pro there's nothing I'd want to replace it with. To apple's credit the Air performs incredibly well and the only reason I looked into replacing it was because its 128gb SSD is a becoming a problem, so I'm using that as an excuse to upgrade into something newer and shiny but the only things I see that I'd want to replace it with are the surface book and the surface pro 4. I want to like the 12-inch macbook because of the form factor but I just don't want what in some ways is a noticeable downgrade.

If MS had that $650 discount on returning a macbook when buying their hardware in Europe, I'd have already jumped on it.

Re: Microsoft is now a braver, more innovative company than Apple

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Post by snovv_crash »

culturestate wrote: post #42
SamUK96 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, Apple's last 3-4 Quarters have been huge consecutive disappointments, and this line up was their last chance to turn that around I believe. And they've clearly failed. Who will pay $1,500 on a laptop that has second-grade components, a rather standard keyboard, etc. etc. Heck, Asus' Zenbook 3 line costs around $1500 and it has the best possible components, better screen, better keyboard, better everything…

The Mac is hugely visible, but accounts for a small portion of Apple's bottom line - just $6 billion out of $49 billion in revenue for Q416. Financially speaking, Apple is now the iPhone company. They could release a Mac Quantum with holographic storage and still disappoint investors.

Without developers running macos, there are no new apps for the iPhone. The high end market are the trendsetters, and if Apple doesn't want them they will end up as 'cool' as Microsoft was in the 00's. The iPhone will be the phone your grandma has.
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