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Open Letter to Tim Cook

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Re: Open Letter to Tim Cook

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Post by anexprogrammer »

Razengan wrote: post #28
have_faith wrote: post #7

Not to beat a dead horse but I'm also considering abandoning Apple as I'm due an upgrade now. I'm still using a MBP from 2010 that I added an SSD and some extra ram too, it's still going strong although showing it's age it has served me very well over the years. Gluing parts in that used to be user replaceable, models now are 16gb of ram only (can someone explain this one?), thinness for thinness sake, removing stand…

> models now are 16gb of ram only (can someone explain this one?) Which other laptop were you going to buy that supports more than 16 GB? How much does it cost? What's it size, weight, color depth and battery life? As far as I know, the new Surface Book also only supports 16 GB of RAM . Or the new Razer Blade. The Razer Blade Pro can have 32GB of RAM, but it is twice as heavy and twice the volume of the 15" MBP.

Compare the new rMBP against a Thinkpad P50 that is much cheaper yet 4K, Xeon and upto 64GB.

It's a bit of a hulk being the weight of a 2012 MBP.

Re: Open Letter to Tim Cook

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Post by toyg »

initram wrote: post #85
sjtgraham wrote: post #53

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> What's the target demographic this new MBP is serving, though? Apple doesn't seem to know or care. I don't know who this MBP is for. Increasingly less people can justify an Apple macOS portable when an iOS device covers their requirements satisfactorily and it doesn't meet the needs of many professionals at all (present and anticipated needs for the machine's useful life). Apple is behaving as if they're a boutique…

> Apple doesn't seem to know or care. Oh nonsense! They showed like a dozen ways that the new touch pad alone makes using professional apps easier, faster, and generally better in their keynote. They are clearly thinking specifically of the professional market. Whether they hit their mark or not is up to the market to decide. The new computers are already back-ordered by 4-5 weeks, so clearly someone's ordering them.

> back-ordered by 4-5 weeks

Lol, they were 4 weeks "back ordered" the minute they went on sale. It's not strange Apple keeps pulling this stunt (after all, they save on production costs by not actually manufacturing anything until orders come in), but it's really baffling how people keep pointing at it as a sign of success. Even the most unpopular car manufacturer will make you wait a month for a car.

Re: Open Letter to Tim Cook

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Post by anindha »

I don't get the racing analogy. It's not like you can buy a Formula One racing car.

If Apple started making super computers to play chess then the analogy would be valid.

Re: Open Letter to Tim Cook

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Post by nodamage »

kornholi wrote: post #108
nodamage wrote: post #92

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Your link compares DDR4 against DDR3, but you should be comparing DDR4 against LPDDR3 .

Why not LPDDR4 against LPDDR3? LPDDR4 is also more efficient and has better density.

Skylake does not support LPDDR4, nor does Kaby Lake (except with their ultra-low power chips).

I don't think we're going to see 32 GB RAM in the ultrabook category until LPDDR4 is supported by Intel in their mobile-class processors.

Edit: AnandTech suggests that LPDDR3 is 25-30% more power efficient than DDR4. (http://www.anandtech.com/show/6326/additional-details-on-mic...)

Re: Open Letter to Tim Cook

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Post by NolF »

stomato wrote: post #105
sjtgraham wrote: post #53

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> What's the target demographic this new MBP is serving, though? Apple doesn't seem to know or care. I don't know who this MBP is for. Increasingly less people can justify an Apple macOS portable when an iOS device covers their requirements satisfactorily and it doesn't meet the needs of many professionals at all (present and anticipated needs for the machine's useful life). Apple is behaving as if they're a boutique…

> Apple is behaving as if they're a boutique OEM. Not sure what you mean. If they made the computer much faster, I imagine it'd get too hot or noisy. The main failure IMO was that the only real innovation was a touch bar replacing function keys that as far as I can tell no one asked for or wanted. However, macOS still beats Windows 10 because it's more intuitive and usable and has fewer quirks. I don't want one of th…

MacOS has plenty quirks for me though... I cannot get it to reliably connect to a win10 samba server (my android or boot camp give me no trouble). I should probably blame Google, but the ATF app sucks and gives a lot of problems transferring large or numerous files (ended up using WiFi... I get periodic blue screens (kernel panics) from using Chrome. When finder crashes I can't seem to be able to initiate it without a hard restart... I have had it for 3 years and it's only been one thing after another.

I love some features, but the trouble on a day to day basis is not worth it.

Re: Open Letter to Tim Cook

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Post by will_hughes »

perfectstorm wrote: post #87
sjtgraham wrote: post #67

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I know. I'd most likely buy a Dell XPS.

I don't see a 32GB XPS on their site.

Dell XPS 13" (9350) goes up to 16GB - soldered on, not upgradable.

Dell XPS 15" (9550) goes up to 32GB - upgradable after purchase with 2x memory slots.

e:

Links for the 15" with 32GB:

Dell Australia: http://www.dell.com/au/p/xps-15-9550-laptop/pd?oc=z510896au&...

Dell USA: http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/xps-15-9550-la...

Re: Open Letter to Tim Cook

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Post by jonlorusso »

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #30
ktRolster wrote: post #21

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>models now are 16gb of ram only Do you have a use for more than 16gb? Serious question.

I'm often noticing a ton of swapping going on, causing serious system-wide lag, when I have a few dozen Chrome tabs and two VM's running in addition to a few other standard programs which use a lot of memory (Slack). It's not hard to rub up against 16GB in a standard developer workflow.

> a few dozen Chrome tabs

There's your problem.

Re: Open Letter to Tim Cook

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Post by [deleted] »

chrisfosterelli wrote: post #30
ktRolster wrote: post #21

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>models now are 16gb of ram only Do you have a use for more than 16gb? Serious question.

I'm often noticing a ton of swapping going on, causing serious system-wide lag, when I have a few dozen Chrome tabs and two VM's running in addition to a few other standard programs which use a lot of memory (Slack). It's not hard to rub up against 16GB in a standard developer workflow.

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Re: Open Letter to Tim Cook

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Post by grzm »

phire wrote: post #110
jacobolus wrote: post #27

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> it wouldn't had killed them to include some USB 3.0 ports and an HDMI port. Magsafe, USB Type A, HDMI, and Mini DisplayPort / Thunderbolt 1/2 are all literally too wide to fit within the width of the new laptop’s sides. They would have needed to make the whole laptop noticeably thicker or otherwise differently shaped to fit any of those. The headphone jack barely fits.

My current laptop is thinner than the new 13" Macbook Pro (bearly, by just 0.5mm). Way thinner than the 15" Macbook Pro. Yet it has full sized USB 3.0 ports, a USB-C port, SD slot and an HDMI port. The only reason those ports don't fit on the new MacBooks, is because the bottom curves up near the edges.

Oh, don't tease! :) What's your current machine?
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