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Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

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Post by chx »

monk_e_boy wrote: post #26
anexprogrammer wrote: post #15

An interesting idea, but I just don't look at my keyboards. Even so, I can't help feeling this is a much better approach than replacing F-keys with the Mac Touchbar. The touchbar could have been a great idea if above the pre-existing keys. However, if it was a Model M chassis, sculpted full travel loud mechanical keys, E-Ink, and a modern selection of media keys and volume I'd probably buy one. Regardless of how sill…

I think it'd be cool for programming, I have RSI and find using the shift key + another key painful. I also rarely use the number keys above the letters (I used num pad) so changing all those keys to the shit_key equivalent would be neat. And rearranging some of other keys would be great. And don't get me started on games, oooooh, how often to I buy a new game and forget what 'm' does? Knife? Grenade? Pickaxe?

May I recommend switching to vertical keyboard and mouse? Here https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=79810.0 you can see my solution made from tripod parts and the Matias Ergo Pro which is a) mechanical b) split c) uses tripod screws. For vertical mice, the Evoluent VerticalMouse is fantastic and you can get previous generation (which are just as fine) used on eBay for $25-30.

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

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Post by Gracana »

lostlogin wrote: post #49
mbreese wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are better arguments for Apple's connectivity issues. I haven't had to directly attach my phone to my Mac in years. Sure, there are use-cases, but really, how many people plug their phones into their computers on a regular basis?

Getting anything you make onto an iPhone from Xcode would be my pain point.

Maybe your employer can purchase the appropriate cable for you, so you aren't burdened with another dongle.

http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MK0X2AM/A/usb-c-to-lightni...

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

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Post by officialchicken »

eb0la wrote: post #19

In some countries like Spain law requires keyboarda must be localized (except if you're buying as a company). In this case technology makes law pointless

Unfortunately software can not remedy an essentially hardware issue no matter the laws and tax/vat requirements for purchase.

> In this case technology makes law pointless

Spanish keyboards usually have 1 extra key so they are typically 105 keys; in Japan they are 109 keys. From my experiences in Spain, if you are buying as a company (even if you purchase it at Carrefour or El Corte Inglais) you will pay a small premium for those non-local keyboards.

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

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Post by PabloSichert »

SonderDesign wrote: post #82

Hi HN, I'm one of the engineers working on the project, if you have any questions please ask.

Any plans on releasing a version that is not tied to the apple ecosystem? ("super/windows" vs "option", "command" vs "alt") Why are those not configurable, as well?

Are "fn" and "control" swappable?

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

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Post by 1ris »

SonderDesign wrote: post #82

Hi HN, I'm one of the engineers working on the project, if you have any questions please ask.

Hi,

What kind of key mechanism do you use? It looks more like a apple keyboard than other keyboards, will it have the same very short travel?

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

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Post by breischl »

gcb0 wrote: post #67
mmanfrin wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The 'cloud connected' stuff is an obnoxious gimmick, but Das's upcoming 5q is pretty close to what you're looking for: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1229573443/das-keyboard...

they got a interesting full sized keyboard (that has dying appeal) and added the most obnoxious software 'features' they could think of. Everything from Das is really dysfunctional and sad. And i really wanted to like them.

>>Everything from Das is really dysfunctional and sad. I don't think that's fair. I've had a Das for a couple years now (Model S Pro, IIRC) and it's a solid, well designed keyboard. No obnoxious software AFAICT.

The whole "cloud keyboard" thing does sound gimmicky, I just don't think it's reasonable to paint their entire product line that way.

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

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Post by kentt »

iheartmemcache wrote: post #42
monk_e_boy wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it'd be cool for programming, I have RSI and find using the shift key + another key painful. I also rarely use the number keys above the letters (I used num pad) so changing all those keys to the shit_key equivalent would be neat. And rearranging some of other keys would be great. And don't get me started on games, oooooh, how often to I buy a new game and forget what 'm' does? Knife? Grenade? Pickaxe?

Firstly: RSI is no joke - if you're experiencing pain, there's a non-zero chance it'll develop into a serious medical condition. (At MIT's Media Lab, someone's RSI got so bad he couldn't type at all and had to invent an interface using vocal phonemes to encode common OS actions/lexical keywords to control his OS (OS X) / editor (emacs) / language of choice (python)). If you feel even the slightest bit of pain, that's…

Echoing the parent, take it very seriously. One thing that helped me was an verticle mouse (Evoluent C in my case). There's on one thing that will solve you're problems, just bit a pieces that will contribute to long term management.

One other thing is WorkRave which reminds me to take breaks. This is helpful for my hands, but has been frustrating for getting into the groove of programming.

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

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Post by tarikjn »

azenet wrote: post #17

The point of shortcuts are to learn them.. buying a $200 keyboard just to look less at the keyboard is pointless. If I were a buyer I'd wish it wasn't bluetooth only, though.

It's not, if you plug it in, it relies on the wired connection:

  To charge the internal battery, simply plug in the braided
  fiber cables – perfect also when you want to eliminate input
  lag.

Re: Sonder E-Ink Keyboard

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Post by djhworld »

mmanfrin wrote: post #63
anexprogrammer wrote: post #15

An interesting idea, but I just don't look at my keyboards. Even so, I can't help feeling this is a much better approach than replacing F-keys with the Mac Touchbar. The touchbar could have been a great idea if above the pre-existing keys. However, if it was a Model M chassis, sculpted full travel loud mechanical keys, E-Ink, and a modern selection of media keys and volume I'd probably buy one. Regardless of how sill…

The 'cloud connected' stuff is an obnoxious gimmick, but Das's upcoming 5q is pretty close to what you're looking for: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1229573443/das-keyboard...

I have a Das Keyboard, it's a really nice product, mechanical switches etc.

I don't see a use case for this though, I rarely look at my keyboard.

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