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Re: Apple Sucks Now, Here’s a ThinkPad Buyer’s Guide

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Post by slantyyz »

Chyzwar wrote: post #162
slantyyz wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is probably offtopic, but I hate, hate, hate Intel's CPU naming strategy for the Core i line. An i7 (U,M) in an ultrabook is vastly different from the i7 (MQ, HQ) in a gaming laptop. A lot of people don't realize that, they just assume that i7 means "fastest intel processor". It also doesn't help when computer manufacturers say "#th generation Intel processor". Unless you're keeping up with that stuff, how does…

2xxx,3xxx,4xxx,5xxx,6xxx,7xxx I do not see a problem with this naming convention. Each generation have code name like Caby Lake etc.. but also corresponding number. You know that if computer have i7 6700 it is roughly 5-15% faster than previous generation i7 5700. Just because Apple tend to hide this detail it is not Intel to blame.

Ok, just grabbing some scores off Passmark [1]

Intel Core i5 6440HQ -- 6390 Intel Core i5 7200U -- 4856 Intel Core i7 6650U -- 4857 Intel Core i7 6700HQ -- 8023

By looking at the numbers in the name alone, there's a wide variability in how fast they are. That's pretty confusing to someone who doesn't keep track of CPUs.

[1] http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

Re: Apple Sucks Now, Here’s a ThinkPad Buyer’s Guide

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Post by syshum »

twiceaday wrote: post #52
syshum wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes because Lenovo is the only major vendor to install spyware, break ssl, or any other things. Dell has never done that... ohh wait https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/11/superfish-20-now-dell-...

Then add Dell to the list as well. What is your point?

If I look deep enough I can find where every manufacturer has done this... that is my point.

Dont use OEM Images, or better yet dont use Windows... that is my point

Re: Apple Sucks Now, Here’s a ThinkPad Buyer’s Guide

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Post by camgunz »

lcbiazon wrote: post #138

I often read about happy x220 and x230 users, but the newer x240/x250/x260 are not mentioned as much. Did the build quality decline after Lenovo took over?

Keyboards after the x220 are chiclet, which is sacrilege to most ThinkPad users (me included). x240 really messed up the mouse buttons that you'd use with the TrackPoint: they're touch instead of click and poorly executed. x250 and x260 fix that problem more or less, and the keyboard on the x260 is appreciably better than the x240, but it's still chiclet.

The main draw of the ThinkPad is that it's an unparalleled input system (TrackPoint means never leaving the home row, keyboards are second to none), they're very tough, have great battery life, very serviceable, and you can get amazing deals on eBay or through outlet/refurbishing. If you go with the X series, they're also the only < 13" machines that have replaceable batteries, a full complement of ports, reasonable specs, etc. In other words, they're the perfect dev machine. The cons are pretty bad screens, thickness, and relatively poor trackpads.

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Post by basch »

rayiner wrote: post #132

Lenvo sucks now too. Their flagship laptop, the T460s, now has a non-removable battery. Their shtick has always been "yes, it's a bit bigger and heavier than a MBP, but it's expandable!" Now the T460s isn't any more expandable than the 13" rMBP, and has a lot less battery life. You can drop down to the T460, but it's not made of the same premium materials, and also doesn't even come with the high-resolution screen op…

the T460s is the slim model, the flagship standard T460 still has a removable battery. They should make the S as thin as possible, so they can keep the standard model without compromise.

The s series is the compromised T460 for slimness, cant have it both ways.

Re: Apple Sucks Now, Here’s a ThinkPad Buyer’s Guide

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Post by seanp2k2 »

slantyyz wrote: post #71
ch4ch4 wrote: post #24

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Except that you still don't know which generation of processor the MBP has- I still see tons of deceptive Craigslist ads for MBPs that have a "2.0Ghz" processor, with no indication that it's a model from 2011, which is not at all comparable with a "2.0Ghz" processor from 2015.

This is probably offtopic, but I hate, hate, hate Intel's CPU naming strategy for the Core i line. An i7 (U,M) in an ultrabook is vastly different from the i7 (MQ, HQ) in a gaming laptop. A lot of people don't realize that, they just assume that i7 means "fastest intel processor". It also doesn't help when computer manufacturers say "#th generation Intel processor". Unless you're keeping up with that stuff, how does…

The important part is the generation, which, to your point, is rarely mentioned. The generation is in the name, e.g. Core i7-7xxxx parts are the newest Kaby Lake, 6xxx are Skylake, etc, but I agree that it's still confusing and requires a visit to Ark to see if it's junk or not, and only people who spend hours reading about this stuff can readily identify the differences and families.

Re: Apple Sucks Now, Here’s a ThinkPad Buyer’s Guide

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Post by seanp2k2 »

StillBored wrote: post #163
slantyyz wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is probably offtopic, but I hate, hate, hate Intel's CPU naming strategy for the Core i line. An i7 (U,M) in an ultrabook is vastly different from the i7 (MQ, HQ) in a gaming laptop. A lot of people don't realize that, they just assume that i7 means "fastest intel processor". It also doesn't help when computer manufacturers say "#th generation Intel processor". Unless you're keeping up with that stuff, how does…

Yah, and then consider the m3/m5/m7, x3/x5/x7, Pentium and celeron brands are all still available. Its the same with the xeon line, where you really have to dig into the details to know what the difference is between a E5-46xx and a E7-48xx. Early on it seemed like intel was going to use E3=1 socket, E5=2 socket, E7>2 socket, but then they started bluring the lines. And then there are all the secondary features like…

And now they have the x5 and x7 atoms (formerly Cherry Trail) with things like the Z series for tablets: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/processors/atom/atom-...

Re: Apple Sucks Now, Here’s a ThinkPad Buyer’s Guide

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Post by sparky_ »

pmarreck wrote: post #151
dewiz wrote: post #103

I was very disappointed too, however I've seen similar disappointments when Apple dropped CDROM, usb, audio jacks etc. Eventually everyone gets used to it, and admittedly they are trying to simplify the keyboard IMHO. I'm super happy to have bought a maxed out mbp15 before not too long ago, so I won't have to deal with the devices/adaptors market catching up to Apple. And BTW, looks like the disappointment is all aro…

No word on the invisibly-killed-off and yet so sexy Mac Pro, I guess :P

But can it run Desert Combat? :)

Re: Apple Sucks Now, Here’s a ThinkPad Buyer’s Guide

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Post by rayiner »

basch wrote: post #174
rayiner wrote: post #132

Lenvo sucks now too. Their flagship laptop, the T460s, now has a non-removable battery. Their shtick has always been "yes, it's a bit bigger and heavier than a MBP, but it's expandable!" Now the T460s isn't any more expandable than the 13" rMBP, and has a lot less battery life. You can drop down to the T460, but it's not made of the same premium materials, and also doesn't even come with the high-resolution screen op…

the T460s is the slim model, the flagship standard T460 still has a removable battery. They should make the S as thin as possible, so they can keep the standard model without compromise. The s series is the compromised T460 for slimness, cant have it both ways.

The T460s is the flagship. It's built with better materials (https://www.reddit.com/r/thinkpad/comments/466bb9/t460_vs_t4...), and also has the WQHD display option which the T460 does not.

I'm not sure what it was like in older Thinkpads, but for the last few cycles (T450s, T440s), the 's' series has been strictly better: same guts, but lighter and thinner by virtue of a more expensive chassis. The "Carbon" series was always the "super thin and light" option.

Re: Apple Sucks Now, Here’s a ThinkPad Buyer’s Guide

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Post by danjoc »

drinchev wrote: post #148

I said this in another thread. Will say it again. Whenever your boss comes and asks you "What would you like to be your primary machine?". I bet you will reply "Latest MacBook Pro". Yeah sure it will be kinda hard for you with 16 gigs of RAM, but nonetheless much easier than having a Hackintosh.

>I bet you will reply "Latest MacBook Pro".

My reply was a Razer Stealth, but I was told I had to get an Apple. So, I'm getting a $2800 dual core laptop, because I need F-keys. At least I'll be allowed to install Linux on it.

Re: Apple Sucks Now, Here’s a ThinkPad Buyer’s Guide

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Post by xj9 »

unethical_ban wrote: post #119
xj9 wrote: post #73

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The second label is more useful and informative. You gave me information about the thing, rather than an arbitrary label that I have to go resolve manually.

The second item isn't a label. Renaming "Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy" to "Book regarding intergalactic travel with british humour" wouldn't be better.

That's a different class of thing. Both cars and computers are built around base models that are differentiated by additional features. You can either tell me what those features are up front or make me look them up.
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