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Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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>I use an e-cig Why bother getting healthy in one aspect of your life if you're going to trash it in another?

How is using an e-cig trashing your health?

I''ll bet my money on the misconception that cigarette = nicotine [0]

And that health is a zero-sum game. It's not.

[0] gwern.net/Nicotine

Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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At least he's been eating his own product almost exclusively when at home according to that blog post. This gave me a positive impression at the start of the blog post and I was agreeing with what he said initially, but then it went downhill. I would not want to get rid of my kitchen and I would absolutely never replace my food with Soylent, especially now that I've heard of all the people getting sick from it. Also,…

The prion disease rumours circulating on Twitter about Soylent are really disturbing.

Trolling? Soylent -> Soylent green -> Movie where you grind up poor people and turn them into food -> Cannibalism -> Known vectors for prion diseases.

Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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If someone marketed this type of product as a reasonably nutritious meal on the go as an alternative to grabbing a Big Mac or a soggy slice of pizza, it would be utterly unobjectionable--and no one would pay it the slightest mind. So instead we get this narrative around meal replacement for Silicon Valley types who are too busy advancing Western civilization with a Facebook for Farmers to have time to eat.

In the USA, we love to aspire to be other, "better" people. It's why some poor people vote against their own interests to cut taxes on the rich (thinking that one day they'll be wealthy enough to benefit from it), it's why Uber is a "revolutionary" and not a regulation-dodging jitney cab service, it's definitely what's powering much of tech bubble at this point, and Soylent is but another example of all this in actio…

I know this comment got downvotes for being kind of snarky/evoking political debate, but I just thought I'd throw my support out for the main sentiment. It seems like a lot of startups are more marketing rather than technological successes. And I'm not sure I really like that.

Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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Soylent made such a big deal of being a "tech company", and boasted about their overdesigned web infrastructure for a business that did two transactions a minute. What they didn't have is advanced technology on the production side. They write about "sending samples out" to external labs. It's not like they had an automated lab constantly sampling their production line and posting the results to the web. There are pro…

These guys are literally a danger to society at this point.

Just because you think you're "smart" doesn't mean you can make functional foods without serious expertise. Typical case of over-inflated engineer egos.

Obligatory link from 2013: https://blog.priceplow.com/soylent

Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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It's amazing how the whole marketing aura just goes poof. Last week, the average commenter would be going on about how the real problem is that people are eating unnecessary food with Soylent.

Well, that was still my first thought when I hit "without other sources of iron". One bottle per day of Soylent can't fix up the variation in the other 75% of your calories. I don't call Wheaties unhealthy for being low on protein, because balanced nutrition has to be calculated across a whole diet. Having said that, it is alarming that Soylent can't possibly be a balanced replacement for everyone. A custom product w…

The everything for everyone thing is the cardinal sin with them for me.

If they marketed it as a convenient meal replacement, like a carnation instant breakfast that wasn't a milkshake, it would be different. But they imply that eating food is bad, just drink Soylent.

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What's not emotional about requiring products you have no hand in to meet your standards of innovation?

What... what is emotional about that? Saying a product is trying to fill a need which has already been filled is the least emotional reason I can think of to not purchase something.

Fair enough

Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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If you lose allicin you lose some nice properties (antimicrobial, antiinflammatory, etc): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10594976

How does rushing it into an acid bath preserve it?

The goal isn't to preserve it forever, the goal is to preserve it long enough to get to the bacteria which can make use of it.

Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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I understand why people get Soylent, but I'm also wondering why people choose to trust a company to provide the powder for them instead of making it themselves. Not only would that save you quite a bit of money (Soylent is a pretty poor value proposition if you need to consume more than 2000 calories), but you would then personally control the freshness of the ingredients. There are so many recipes at diy.soylent.com…

> I'm also wondering why people choose to trust a company to provide the powder for them instead of making it themselves. Are you really wondering that? The people that buy this stuff are the ones that won't even make themselves a meal. You think they're gonna make the powder themselves?

Making the powder yourself is still a time savings of about 80-90% over preparing a complete meal.

You can prep a month's worth of powder in the time it takes to prepare 1 meal. So yes, I'm wondering that in addition to wondering whether you read my post.

Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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I unfortunately gave up Soylent when it was found to contain high levels of carcinogenic heavy metals. I believe they found it had 10-25x the minimum amount to be considered carcinogenic for arsenic, cadmium, and lead. It's a good idea to make a product that could reduce meat consumption and food waste while helping the environment but maybe this isn't the best way? Maybe helping people and corporations better manage…

I highly question the claims that soylent is better for the environment. This product's primary ingredient is soy. Imagine we replaced a good chunk of the currently consumed food with this. That would require field after field of soybean crops. The lack of diversity in this kind of growing would result in an unprecedented level of industrial agriculture, which is one of the great issues we face as a world population.…

If we replaced a good chunk of meat and dairy with soy, we'd save quite a lot of carbon. That's a good thing.

I agree we should promote crop diversity. But I don't understand why you think this one specific ingredient is a problem. When someone eats bread, do you get upset because it's promoting wheat? Bread is pretty much 100% wheat, and people eat a LOT of it.

If Soylent were the only food people consume, I would understand your concern. But most people don't eat Soylent and most Soylent eaters don't eat only Soylent. So I don't really understand your concern.

Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick

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Soylent is a bad idea. Your body needs unidentified parts of plants that make you live a decade or more longer if you eat them every day, called phytonutrients. You're just killing yourself by eating shit, may as well eat fast food it has as many nutrients. Fuck soylent, eat a mcburger. Tastes better, same effect.

I think before you jump on this guy for not having enough evidence to support his claims, I think it might make more sense to acknowledge that there are huge holes in our understanding of nutrition. In light of this, Soylent, as well intentioned as they may be, comes across like the folks who used to say that baby formula was all a child needs to be at its healthiest in the 1960s. You have to admit what science backs…

Soylent takes a reductionist approach. There are some great examples in the literature of where the reductionist approach doesn't work (i.e. calcium supplements and fractures).
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