I ate bad chicken once and it made me really sick. Once! Here's a product that one should be skeptical of from the get go - it needs to prove itself as being "real food", and now it's made multiple people sick. It's like Chipotle, but I think worse. Doesn't help they named it after a horrifying product from a dystopian science fiction movie either.
Seriously: "Soylent"??? Somebody thought that would be a good name to market mystery food sludge? Just the link title made my WTF-ometer peg when I saw it. As Bullwinkle used to say: "I think I shall now be sick."
Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick
871–880 of 1001 posts
Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick
#872Well actual food value was only a secondary feature of Soylent's product anyways, as witnessed by customers still happily supporting a food company that makes tasteless gunk that makes people ill. The primary selling point was that it allowed the customers to pretend (at least to themselves, if not to anyone else) that they were too busy even to eat food. If you're THAT busy, you must be an important, happening guy,…
Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick
#873Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that Soylent will go down as a cautionary tale for anyone who looks at a field they know very little about and thinks "how hard could it be?". Along with Theranos. What Soylent should have built to be worth $100+ million is a way to make a food product tailored to a particular person or group of people that's based on automation and nutritional science. Instead they seem to have a cobbled together amalgam tha…
>I think that Soylent will go down as a cautionary tale for anyone who looks at a field they know very little about and thinks "how hard could it be?". Along with Theranos. Terrible analogy. Unlike Theranos, Soylent has been shipping their core product to many satisfied customers for over two years. The recent quality control issues are real, and they are troubling, but they don't invalidate Soylent's thesis that an…
I think it's apt, but of course you're free to disagree. Both companies entered fields with a founding team that lacked any particular expertise -- dropping out of Stanford or a degree in electrical engineering doesn't give you the background to know what's truly possible in nutritional or life sciences.
Theranos and Soylent were both shipping their products to much success not that long ago. Theranos was exposed and shown to be almost wholly smoke and mirrors.
Soylent is unlikely to be that bad off, and as you said their main thesis hasn't been disproven. They also haven't shown that they have done anything novel to meaningfully reach that goal. Their constant reformulations and sales suspensions (this is not the first time) tell me that this isn't a high tech food operation based on years of research and scientific processes. It's some powder being mixed in a warehouse by a contracted company and sold on a fancy website. That's not a breakthrough.
> Better pull Ensure from all the hospitals then, just to be safe.
I don't know if Ensure if significantly better or worse than Soylent. Just because it's from a big company and is an established product doesn't necessarily mean it's any good, but it doesn't necessarily mean it's approach is as shoddy as Soylent's either.
I can say that Ensure has not embraced the one-size-fits-all approach of Soylent [1]. They also don't seem to believe in the 25% DV at-all-costs approach. For example, iron does not seem to be included at all.
[1] https://ensure.com/nutrition-products/compare-meal-replaceme...
Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick
#874Soylent made such a big deal of being a "tech company", and boasted about their overdesigned web infrastructure for a business that did two transactions a minute. What they didn't have is advanced technology on the production side. They write about "sending samples out" to external labs. It's not like they had an automated lab constantly sampling their production line and posting the results to the web. There are pro…
If it is just an intolerance or allergic reaction exhibited to particular ingredients by a small fraction of the population that is very difficult to test for. Even more so if the magnitude of the reaction depends on processing of the ingredients.
If they are using uncommon ingredients or process them in unusual ways it may be entirely possible that it was simply a previously unknown issue that nobody tests for, i.e. in-house testing could not have caught it either and human beta-testing could be inconclusive due to low prevalence of the intolerance.
I wonder how other large food manufacturers handle such things.
Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick
#875Everyone here has had moments where they need to eat something because they're hungry, but are in the middle of something, a team meeting, in the zone fixing a bug, or just up late at night. The standard solutions are to either be distracted by hunger and keep working, or go eat something junk-like real fast, or prepare super well in advance a series of healthy snacks meant for times like this.
Well, not everyone prioritizes organizing emergency meals, or enjoys cooking, or wants to spend time on it. But they still value eating something cost-effective, and at least moderately healthy. For all the people whose default choice is ordering pizza or ringing up Postmates for some junk food, Soylent (while not making people sick) is several orders of magnitude better in terms of cost, convenience AND nutrition.
What's wrong with that? Why would you diss that choice so much? Surely you can't believe ordering a Domino's cheese pizza is better than consuming a bottle of Soylent? If your only suggestion is "they should learn to cook/mix their own/pay attention to food" you're missing the point and refusing to empathize. Different people have different priorities and inclinations, and it makes sense for products to be marketed for some set of those without demanding behaviour change.
Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick
#876Earlier quoted context omitted.
Slimfast and Complan off the top of my head. And those two have been around for decades. MyProtein sell simular stuff that is more balanced than whey protein + whole milk for a meal replacement. Also, whey + whole milk + instant oats lets you control the macros fairly well, assuming your getting all your micro-nutrients from real food elsewhere. And this is without looking on google. Id bet there are many many more.…
The same one serving of Slimfast[1] has less than 10% of my daily calories, less than 2% of daily carbs, and between 35% and 110% of daily vitamins. I don't see how it's a competitor to a drink (Soylent 2.0) that has exactly 20% of all macros and micros. [1] http://slimfast.com/products/advanced/shakes/creamy-chocolat...
Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick
#877Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Also I think the term we should actually be using is "Natural Selection" rather than "Evolution" in this case. Nope, I'm using it in the "evolutionary algorithm", "evolution as mathematical optimization" sense. > It is an optimizer for breeding and nothing more. I really disagree there. Humans did not evolve in a vacuum; their are a ton of systems and subsystems that evolved across different species leading up to h…
Ok, I now see how you were using the word "evolution". For some reason the fact that you were addressing the "natural fallacy camp" made me think you were talking about human evolution and its role in our eating habits, my mistake. As far as your disagreement goes... Perhaps "breeding" wasn't the 100% accurate thing to say, but natural selection is the process that decides what genes to pass to the next generation ca…
Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick
#878There's a lot of anti-soylent in this thread, purporting it as a "holier-than-thou" attitude by tech-bros who are too good to eat "normal food". How ironic. Everyone here has had moments where they need to eat something because they're hungry, but are in the middle of something, a team meeting, in the zone fixing a bug, or just up late at night. The standard solutions are to either be distracted by hunger and keep wo…
Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick
#879Earlier quoted context omitted.
Though I'd argue the healthier alternative would be to take a break and go walk to a nice restaurant somewhere, but alas I also fall into situations where you just need to keep on task.
Usually keeping a break is better for both your health and your work
Re: Soylent halts sales of its powder as customers keep getting sick
#880Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Also I think the term we should actually be using is "Natural Selection" rather than "Evolution" in this case. Nope, I'm using it in the "evolutionary algorithm", "evolution as mathematical optimization" sense. > It is an optimizer for breeding and nothing more. I really disagree there. Humans did not evolve in a vacuum; their are a ton of systems and subsystems that evolved across different species leading up to h…
Ok, I now see how you were using the word "evolution". For some reason the fact that you were addressing the "natural fallacy camp" made me think you were talking about human evolution and its role in our eating habits, my mistake. As far as your disagreement goes... Perhaps "breeding" wasn't the 100% accurate thing to say, but natural selection is the process that decides what genes to pass to the next generation ca…
Oh, is that what I'm doing? And here I thought I was suggesting that evolution (in practice and in theory) is a more nuanced process than you're letting on.