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Re: Eve: Programming designed for humans

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I think there's potentially a lot of ways we can improve our programming environments. I like moon shots, people willing to explore new ways that are unconventional, approaching problems in different ways. I've followed Light Table and have been looking forward to seeing what Chris and friends come up with for Eve. That said, this is feeling very grandiose. I'd like to understand more clearly where they see Eve being…

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Re: Eve: Programming designed for humans

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Sorry, but what about this is "designed for humans"? What do the keywords mean? What's the language paradigm? Why do I want this when it's essentially coalescing a lot of APIs into a language that you've provided no spec for? Why would I want my language to work with slack?! I'm not impressed. It just looks like another functional language with a bunch of addons tacked on to make things "easier" or "for humans". Drop…

As a counterpoint: the example of the document containing blocks of code inside what looked more like a word document, to me, exactly explains visually what "designed for humans" means in this context, and I think it's well put.

That's not revolutionary at all. You can do that already with tons of environments. Here's one for Javascript, based on Markdown: https://github.com/jostylr/litpro

Re: Eve: Programming designed for humans

#53

How is this significantly different from something like Light Table? (edit: didn't realize it was build by the people who built Light Table). It feels like a rehash of that + Python notebooks, with a bit of Xcode's playground thrown in. Problem is that despite those tools being available, I literally never use them. Ever. Nor do I have a need for them. I kind of like the idea of being able to find bits of code in a l…

Well, if version 0.2.0 doesn't fit your enterprise software needs it probably isn't very interesting.

Re: Eve: Programming designed for humans

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty of meat in the blog post, on the Github etc. I suspect it's for "humans" because it's literate, functional programming with a REPL and a natural approach to how data is managed. It's a lot more than just a functional programming language. When did it become cool to make uninformed claims about how worthless other people's work is?

So if this is "programming for humans", all of us are just writing in some alien language because we're aliens? When did it become fashionable to call everybody else some variant of insane or delusioned and tout your own solution?

The vitriol you're bringing to this thread is far beyond what I'd expect considering the topic. What has angered you so greatly?

Re: Eve: Programming designed for humans

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty of meat in the blog post, on the Github etc. I suspect it's for "humans" because it's literate, functional programming with a REPL and a natural approach to how data is managed. It's a lot more than just a functional programming language. When did it become cool to make uninformed claims about how worthless other people's work is?

So if this is "programming for humans", all of us are just writing in some alien language because we're aliens? When did it become fashionable to call everybody else some variant of insane or delusioned and tout your own solution?

I agree and hate the "for humans" meme. It's insulting and doesn't help your case.

Re: Eve: Programming designed for humans

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How is this significantly different from something like Light Table? (edit: didn't realize it was build by the people who built Light Table). It feels like a rehash of that + Python notebooks, with a bit of Xcode's playground thrown in. Problem is that despite those tools being available, I literally never use them. Ever. Nor do I have a need for them. I kind of like the idea of being able to find bits of code in a l…

Honestly I think this looks excellent for exposing children to programming.

Re: Eve: Programming designed for humans

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> Sorry, but what about this is "designed for humans"? In the mind of the author it probably means 'Designed for reasonable humans and not those dirty nerds who write Haskell and shit.' Edit: Jesus, why the fuck is everyone getting triggered over this? HN has the most sensitive snowflakes out of any discussion forum.

A possible reason you were initially downvoted is that your interpretation doesn't seem terribly likely because the team gives off no air of looking down on anyone.

Your edit sure won't help anything, the aggression is just uncalled for.

Re: Eve: Programming designed for humans

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post #53

How is this significantly different from something like Light Table? (edit: didn't realize it was build by the people who built Light Table). It feels like a rehash of that + Python notebooks, with a bit of Xcode's playground thrown in. Problem is that despite those tools being available, I literally never use them. Ever. Nor do I have a need for them. I kind of like the idea of being able to find bits of code in a l…

Well, if version 0.2.0 doesn't fit your enterprise software needs it probably isn't very interesting.

Actually I cab think of many Enterprise uses for this... most users in an enterprise just want to build small apps which manipulate shared data
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