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Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by maxxxxx »

KirinDave wrote: post #249
rubber_duck wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but unless this is a glorified exec office decoration, professionals care about the specs very much, especially at that resolution and price tag

Hybrid drives are a good call for professional graphic designers and video editors. I have moved my video editing efforts to hybrid drives because of price/space ratios while maintaining performance. Pure SSDs only shine for gaming and compiling, and much more for the former than the later. A machine where you're constantly shuffling for space is no fun.

I find pure SSDs much better than hybrid drives for photo editing. I don't think I would use a hybrid drive for any purpose now.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by smrtinsert »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #132

$2,999 and the best GPU option is a last-gen mobile card? The default 965M is a crappy budget card (half the performance of the 980M), and if you want the 980M you have to pick the $4,199 configuration. And hybrid drives!? This thing starts at $2,199 and you can't even get a full SSD? I know 2D designers probably won't mind the GPU, but they could definitely benefit from a true SSD. Hell, the recently announced Razer…

Have you used a hybrid? They work pretty well. Unless you're just churning through file after file you'll be fine.

As for the rest of it, no designer cares about previous gen stuff - if they didn't they wouldn't have gone to macs in the first place.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by kerbalspacepro »

mhomde wrote: post #71

I can't but feel sad that Microsoft somehow is dropping the ball on mobile despite them having been, briefly, in a prime position to succeed. They've executed well with their "One platform"-strategy. UWP is great and with the new composition API their finally moving into being able to compete in the modern software arena. Meanwhile on the hardware side Panos is basically doing what Apple should have been doing if the…

Literally nobody bought the mobile side of their Windows platform. You have to kill your darlings, and Microsoft did it. They are now putting apps on other people's mobile devices, without having to compete in that space. It's a good move.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by kevingadd »

bluedino wrote: post #337
artursapek wrote: post #320

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True, they still have problems. I was close to buying a Surface Pro this winter, but all of the people complaining about battery issues on reddit deterred me. That's why I said "closing". These machines look like they had much more effort put into their design than what people think of when they think "Windows laptop" (a cheap, glossy, plastic piece of crap).

You'd think now that it's the Surface Pro 4 they wouldn't have those kind of issues. For the first and second models I can understand. But the fourth?

We're living in an era where Samsung is now grappling with widespread, catastrophic battery issues with their phones. It gets harder to design and ship computers at scale every day.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by smrtinsert »

KirinDave wrote: post #249
rubber_duck wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry but unless this is a glorified exec office decoration, professionals care about the specs very much, especially at that resolution and price tag

Hybrid drives are a good call for professional graphic designers and video editors. I have moved my video editing efforts to hybrid drives because of price/space ratios while maintaining performance. Pure SSDs only shine for gaming and compiling, and much more for the former than the later. A machine where you're constantly shuffling for space is no fun.

You're getting downvoted by zealots who are angry Apple still doesn't have (and won't anytime soon) a beautiful touch screen.

Hybrids are totally fine in a great majority of use cases. For this price I agree you might as well have thrown one in, but still, performance difference will be neglible.

As a dev I run an ssd because ides are shitty bloated awful pieces of crap (all of them tbh) they don't know how to run in memory and always spend time on file io.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by alkonaut »

gthtjtkt wrote: post #132

$2,999 and the best GPU option is a last-gen mobile card? The default 965M is a crappy budget card (half the performance of the 980M), and if you want the 980M you have to pick the $4,199 configuration. And hybrid drives!? This thing starts at $2,199 and you can't even get a full SSD? I know 2D designers probably won't mind the GPU, but they could definitely benefit from a true SSD. Hell, the recently announced Razer…

The 10X0M cards are perhaps too recent, or the extra 20-30W (?) blew the envelope. I'd definitely get the least powerful graphics card for a machine like this, just to minimize the noise. I can put a real graphics card in my gaming rig, this one is for illustrator.

Re: price - I'm thinking the digitizer and screen is the whole reason for the price. It would be good if the box could be updated while keeping the screen.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by smrtinsert »

siidooloo wrote: post #332
zerstroyer wrote: post #255

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Would be cool if you could connect a real machine to the display and touchscreen, would that be possible with the DisplayPort?

You can already get a Wacom and attach it to a random computer.

Which is like saying my blackberry had a physical keyboard why do I need an iphone 3g.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by WorldMaker »

revelation wrote: post #313
protomyth wrote: post #48

The video at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-stud... is a bit more informative and shows the Surface Dial in action. I looks like the graphics from an old Blackberry this is the future video[1]. Very cool, since Microsoft's version makes sense and Blackberry's was confusing. 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1KLm4SErdQ

That dial is bizarre. I have two hands, why would I replace one amazing hand with a heavy, large screen obscuring piece of machined aluminum to do something that my hand could already do?

Haptic feedback. The implication in the videos is that people are often manipulating the Dials with their off-hands without needing to look to back at the Dial. It's like a well worn knob in your car you don't even have to glance at while you are driving.

Also the videos show it both on and off the screen as users have different needs to work with it.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by kevingadd »

revelation wrote: post #313
protomyth wrote: post #48

The video at https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/surface/devices/surface-stud... is a bit more informative and shows the Surface Dial in action. I looks like the graphics from an old Blackberry this is the future video[1]. Very cool, since Microsoft's version makes sense and Blackberry's was confusing. 1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1KLm4SErdQ

That dial is bizarre. I have two hands, why would I replace one amazing hand with a heavy, large screen obscuring piece of machined aluminum to do something that my hand could already do?

Precision and extra inputs that you can't get with touch gestures.

Re: Microsoft Surface Studio

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Post by kevingadd »

ggregoire wrote: post #204

The video does an amazing job, the product looks great. I've never tried a Surface: do they have a special screen technology to avoid the fingerprints?

The surface book picks up fingerprints pretty steadily, but it's not as bad as other devices I've owned, and they're very easy to clean off.
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