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Re: An apology...

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Post by maxharris »

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #86
qeorge wrote: post #33

The engineer in question is a good friend of several of us here at HN. We sincerely appreciate the support he's being shown here and elsewhere around the internet. So there is no doubt: Gray is one of the smartest engineers I've ever had the pleasure of knowing, and I'm sure he feels terrible about this. Although I'm sure this is going to be one of the worst weeks of his life, he will land on his feet, wherever that…

His job was to make stuff at Apple, their job is to report stuff about Apple. No moral outrage please.

When their "job" comes into conflict with state laws concerning theft, moral outrage is appropriate. Gizmodo traded in property they knew was stolen (according to California state law), and that alone is enough for anyone to be angry with them.

The way they treated Gray is awful and immoral (if not illegal). I won't visit their site again, and I don't think anyone else should, either (morally speaking).

Re: An apology...

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Post by lyudmil »

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #88
lyudmil wrote: post #85

I'm not sure Mr. Powell is paying attention to the continued coverage. If he is, I'd like to offer a couple of words of encouragement. I think Mr. Powell is the only one in this story who stands on firm moral ground. He made a simple, honest mistake. All indicators point that he behaved courageously, presumably coming forward and admitting the device is missing since Apple shut it down remotely the next day. Yes, App…

Gizmodo overstepped no bounds. They are allowed free speech and compared to most reporting these days their story was actually accurate. The ONLY person at fault here is the guy who found the phone and didn't call Apple.

I never claimed they broke the law. I claimed they overstepped ethical bounds accepted in professional journalism. Arguments about why they did can be found elsewhere in the thread.

Re: An apology...

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Post by buster »

Ok, i agree that the name shouldn't have been mentioned. But that's a lot fuzz. It's not like Apple doesn't know he lost his phone. So, if he is to face consequences, than it's with or without the article.

Seeing that Gizmodo called him, they probably even asked for the permission?

I can even imagine that companies are contacting him now, in case he loses his job (who doesn't want to hire an engineer who works on the next gen iphone).

Re: An apology...

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Post by ugh »

ryanisinallofus wrote: post #86
qeorge wrote: post #33

The engineer in question is a good friend of several of us here at HN. We sincerely appreciate the support he's being shown here and elsewhere around the internet. So there is no doubt: Gray is one of the smartest engineers I've ever had the pleasure of knowing, and I'm sure he feels terrible about this. Although I'm sure this is going to be one of the worst weeks of his life, he will land on his feet, wherever that…

His job was to make stuff at Apple, their job is to report stuff about Apple. No moral outrage please.

Report stuff about Apple, not about Apple engineers. I can understand if you think it's ok for Gizmodo to buy the lost/stolen iPhone (I don't agree), I absoluly can't understand how you can think it is ok for Gizmodo to drag Gray into the public.

Re: An apology...

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Post by papachito »

You must be new to the internet, the phone leaked, the story of how it happened leaked, it was only a matter of time before the name of the guy leaked, gizmodo or not, it's obvious that many people knew who it was.

Re: An apology...

#97

Post by statictype »

agranig wrote: post #76

you are aware of the fact that 'accidantely' leaking secret information is and has always been part of Steve's game, aren't you?

No. I'm pretty sure Apple doesn't do very many planned leaks and certainly not to Gizmodo.

Re: An apology...

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Post by papachito »

hyperbovine wrote: post #67
Frazzydee wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple puts in a lot of effort to maintain an air of secrecy. It's part of their pubic image. AFAIK this is the first time there has been a leak this big. It is a big deal to Apple.

It is a big deal to Apple. Inside the RDF, you are probably correct. Back here in reality, I would just like to take the opportunity to shout out, _BIG FUCKING DEAL_. They're working on a new version of the arguably most successful consumer electronic in history. WHO KNEW? It uses all the latest technology. WOW! It looks... SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT! Stop the presses and notify the President!! I am tired of Apple acting tre…

Ramen.

Re: An apology...

#100

Post by sree_nair »

TomOfTTB wrote: post #83
mustpax wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I did not ask if you ever misplaced a top secret prototype device, and quite honestly I'm a little appalled that you feel you would be above making "foolish" mistakes. I asked if you ever misplaced anything valuable or anything that mattered to you. A wallet could be something valuable, or your keys. Most valuable, however, would be your sense of compassion, which right now you have clearly misplaced.

There's a difference between what is valuable to me and what is valuable to someone else (like my company). Yes I've misplaced things that are valuable to me but when I did I only hurt myself. I did not have an obligation to someone else that I did not fulfill. This engineer had an obligation to his company that he disregarded and his only excuse is "I was drunk and thoughtless" (which really isn't an excuse at all).…

Then the Question is how many times in your Life you had something in your hand which was of great loss to saomeone if you misplaced it?.
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