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Re: An apology...

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Post by TomOfTTB »

anthonyb wrote: post #29
TomOfTTB wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I hate to defend Gawker I don't think you can blame them for the negative impact on his career. Say what you will he is guilty of what they claim he did. I would hope future employers would be willing to look past it and realize it was an innocent mistake but they have a right to know. In the end this incident is relevant to how much you trust him with prototypes in the future. Beyond that Gawker is a news…

Bullshit. There's a big difference between making a mistake, and having that mistake sprayed across the internet for all to see.

Simply put once a news source starts omitting facts based on what they think is relevant that's the beginning of the end. News sources should report the facts in as complete a fashion as they are capable of doing. To do otherwise is to open the door to abuse. What's to stop a reporter from leaving a friend out of a story while reporting his coworkers were involved in some malfeasance? In that case the coworkers then look more guilty in comparison to their unmentioned friend who appears innocent because he wasn't reported in the story. That's just one example of how omitting facts can lead to dishonesty in reporting

Re: An apology...

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Post by mjgoins »

Might be better to use an ip address that won't actually point to a machine. Pointing arbitrary names to localhost is probably 99.999 percent safe... but better fully safe than sorry. rfc3330 mentions example ip addresses that are reserved for documentation purposes. Might be able to use those.

Re: An apology...

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Post by TomOfTTB »

mustpax wrote: post #31
TomOfTTB wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I hate to defend Gawker I don't think you can blame them for the negative impact on his career. Say what you will he is guilty of what they claim he did. I would hope future employers would be willing to look past it and realize it was an innocent mistake but they have a right to know. In the end this incident is relevant to how much you trust him with prototypes in the future. Beyond that Gawker is a news…

Guilty? As in, culpable? I am baffled by your willingness to burn someone at the stake for an honest mistake. Have you never misplaced anything valuable, left something behind by accident? Also, Gawker could have easily reported on this story and kept the engineer's name private. For example, read the NY Times article re-reporting the story, you won't see the engineer's name. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/20/technol…

No. I've never misplaced something that could cost my company thousands of dollars and I'd like to believe I wouldn't be foolish enough to even bring something like that into a bar with me.

Re: An apology...

#54

Post by qeorge »

TomOfTTB wrote: post #20
jsz0 wrote: post #9

They very possibly did the guy a favor exposing his identity not only to insulate him from hasher retribution but also as pretty clear evidence it was an innocent mistake. No one would leave their identity on the device if they had personally conspired to sell it on the black market. I don't think it's that big of a deal. If the device was being field tested Apple was accepting the risk of theft/loss. If it had been…

I don't see how this does either of those things. On insulating him, it's not like Apple ever cared what public opinion was. They just spent the last week basically pushing back against their own developers. So if they want to fire him they'll do it public opinion be damned. As for proving it was an innocent mistake. I don't think it does that either. If I were an Apple engineer and I just sold the newest iPhone prot…

Gray is a good friend of mine. There is no chance in hell that he stole that phone and sold it.

Re: An apology...

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Post by TomOfTTB »

BigZaphod wrote: post #34
TomOfTTB wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As much as I hate to defend Gawker I don't think you can blame them for the negative impact on his career. Say what you will he is guilty of what they claim he did. I would hope future employers would be willing to look past it and realize it was an innocent mistake but they have a right to know. In the end this incident is relevant to how much you trust him with prototypes in the future. Beyond that Gawker is a news…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journalism_ethics_and_standards

Did you even read this before you quoted it?

Re: An apology...

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Post by dotBen »

Aside from whether Gawker was right or not to name Gray, it's reasons like this why I will never work in such a secretive environment like Apple.

It's not that I can't keep a secret, of course I can. But I think it is asking a lot of someone to take a development/unreleased phone into the wild that could be worth $millions to Apple and make sure it doesn't get lost.

Before someone says "Well he didn't have to take it to the bar" - well hold on. As a product manager myself, I know first hand how important it is to spend a large amount of time test-driving your product and eating your own dog food.

To get really good ideas and feedback on a device like an iPhone, it probably is required to take it outside of the office and actually use it "in the wild".

I just don't think I would want to shoulder such responsibility, esp as we can now see the public fallout from loosing it. You can imagine the private fallout that is also occurring right now for Gray.

Some jobs are just not worth having, and maybe this is Apple asking too much of its engineers and product people.

Re: An apology...

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Post by tomwans »

Gizmodo's attitude is making me sick. All of these articles have such a "haha, gotcha!" attitude towards Apple (and especially Gray) for no reason at all. Apple is secretive about their products, so what? You got the prototype. Take the photos and report on it. There's no reason to divulge all this information about Gray. Apple knew who lost the phone already, since they were able to wipe it remotely. Their snide remarks and attitude in both http://gizmodo.com/5520479/a-letter-apple-wants-its-secret-i... and http://gizmodo.com/5520438/how-apple-lost-the-next-iphone make me feel as if the Gizmodo writing staff consists entirely of 8th graders.

Re: An apology...

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Post by mustpax »

TomOfTTB wrote: post #51
anthonyb wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bullshit. There's a big difference between making a mistake, and having that mistake sprayed across the internet for all to see.

Simply put once a news source starts omitting facts based on what they think is relevant that's the beginning of the end. News sources should report the facts in as complete a fashion as they are capable of doing. To do otherwise is to open the door to abuse. What's to stop a reporter from leaving a friend out of a story while reporting his coworkers were involved in some malfeasance? In that case the coworkers then…

So news articles about sexual abuse should include the name, age and address of the victim? After all, who is to say it is not relevant to the story.

Re: An apology...

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Post by jsz0 »

Frazzydee wrote: post #21
jsz0 wrote: post #9

They very possibly did the guy a favor exposing his identity not only to insulate him from hasher retribution but also as pretty clear evidence it was an innocent mistake. No one would leave their identity on the device if they had personally conspired to sell it on the black market. I don't think it's that big of a deal. If the device was being field tested Apple was accepting the risk of theft/loss. If it had been…

Apple puts in a lot of effort to maintain an air of secrecy. It's part of their pubic image. AFAIK this is the first time there has been a leak this big. It is a big deal to Apple.

The iPhone 3G design leaked more than 2 months before it's launch also although there was no concrete proof it was real. I know Apple stokes the hype to its maximum value but hopefully they're also realistic and don't punish this guy too harshly. It's the 4th generation of a product. No real surprises here.
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