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Why you should never use Upwork
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Re: Why you should never use Upwork
#42Absolutely disgusting behavior by Kevin. I'm kinda hoping that it's just incompetence at UpWork that caused this, and not that Kevin actually knows someone at UpWork, but in all cases that's why I stopped freelancing through UpWork and similar, and started building a solid client base which know that I'm always there to help, for the right price of course. Plus I write somewhat technical and topical blog posts about…
Absolutely disgusting behavior by Kevin. But thats par for the course - some people are pathetic.
More interesting, is the behaviour of Upwork. With such a clear trail of abusive behaviour from the said "Client", Upwork still decides to terminate the guy's account. If you use Upwork, you are a sharecropper. And the landlords are capricious and have no loyalty to the replaceable tenants.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
True. I was curious and did look at their site and didn't see a Kevin in the attorney list. Not to say he isn't one, just he wasn't listed on the site. I would have ventured to bet he was a rogue IT employee, but with some of the responses to complaints on Facebook, it does somewhat appear that if you question them they get defensive and argumentative. I run a site that helps ex-offenders find jobs, resources, etc..…
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I wonder if that is the same "Kevin" who left a Yelp review for the company?
Re: Why you should never use Upwork
#44I use Upwork for projects and after reading this I wouldn't mind moving away from them. What are the best alternatives to Upwork for python and data science assistance?
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#45Apropos nothing: "$100 an hour is more than our CEO makes so I'm not sure we can budget $1500 for this". Don't bill hourly! I know this sounds like a very silly example (it's not even logically coherent) but reasoning like this gets deployed all the time , even with sophisticated clients. People have anchoring price points for hourly rates that they don't have for other billing structures. Fixing this to make more mo…
Well... coming up with the hourly rate is easy when one knows the price tag and the time it takes to finish the job.
Re: Why you should never use Upwork
#46Apropos nothing: "$100 an hour is more than our CEO makes so I'm not sure we can budget $1500 for this". Don't bill hourly! I know this sounds like a very silly example (it's not even logically coherent) but reasoning like this gets deployed all the time , even with sophisticated clients. People have anchoring price points for hourly rates that they don't have for other billing structures. Fixing this to make more mo…
>> "$100 an hour is more than our CEO makes so I'm not sure we can budget $1500 for this".
> Don't bill hourly!
Also, it's not $100 per hour, it's likely $100 per two hours or more. It's not like a freelancer has constant work inflow at 40 hours per week.
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#47Looking at some of their responses to reviews on Facebook ( https://www.facebook.com/wiperecord/reviews/ ) it would appear the attitude is part of their company culture. Amazing, for a company that bills itself as trying to help people overcome their past, it appears they are simply in the business of taking advantage of a vulnerable group.
Also, if Kevin is an attorney, he's remarkably free with what is arguably libelous speech to third parties.
I am a lawyer/coder and "legal tech" is the festering ghetto of my profession. The people who peddle technology solutions to lawyers (or worse, to clients) are usually one step below car salespeople. Try popping your head in to a legal tech conference sometime if you doubt me. It's almost all e-discovery shills talking shite about AI. There are a few exceptions, but not many.
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#48Sounds terrible. Absolutely disgusting. Still, Upwork is an excellent mechanism for building professional network with both customers and freelancers and should just be used wisely.
I disagree. My conclusion is that Upwork must be avoided at all costs. Anyway discoverability is reached on Github and by blogging in this day and age, Upwork is the remnant of a bygone era IMHO.
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#49Convinced me, just closed my upwork account.
To make it easier for others:
> Click Accounts menu, choose Settings, then Contact Info
You may have to add a missing security question before it shows the form with the "delete my account" link.
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#50I think the worst part about this is that I wasn't even surprised throughout the entire story. Anyone who has been a freelancer has dealt with the random, uncalled for threats from clients to give you a bad review or try to suspend your account. It's the reason I gave up on working on platforms like Upwork and Freelancer almost immediately.
Building a personal network is way easier to find contract work and you'll make more money in the end while creating real relationships that will help you foster your career.
I'm sorry this happened to you, and I'm super glad you revealed this persons name publicly. Good form.