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Re: China’s plan to organize its society relies on ‘big data’ to rate everyone

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Post by arjie » Sun, Oct 23, 2016, 2:36 AM UTC

daodedickinson wrote: post #25

arjie wrote: post #18

Well, this is bad because it's the Chinese government. But companies like Airbnb have to use proxy metrics like number of Facebook friends. If I could be proven to be the trustworthy person I am, then a host wouldn't need to look at all that. If I'm known to have destroyed someone's home, then someone else on Turo knows better than to rent to me. In practice, it's likely to turn into an eBay style "A++++ best person…

Wait Airbnb is gonna discriminate against me because I boycott Facebook?

Not Airbnb. Your potential hosts. Airbnb allows you to provide multiple means of proving you're reasonable. Linking your FB profile is one way. Airbnb will then show the number of friends you have.

This may have changed since when I signed up years ago.

It's just like your GitHub is a reputation aid when applying for a job. It's not required but what you have on there can help.

EDIT: In case it isn't clear, I'm not claiming here that Airbnb is forming some sort of transcontinental people database.

Re: China’s plan to organize its society relies on ‘big data’ to rate everyone

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Post by rsmoz » Sun, Oct 23, 2016, 2:40 AM UTC

oldmanjay wrote: post #15

aub3bhat wrote: post #2

I just finished watching the Nosedive (Season 3, episode 1) from Black Mirror on Netflix, it shows a similar system. Unlike other Black Mirror episodes its quite well balanced. I would highly highly recommend watching it.

It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia used this concept as a plotline, and managed to treat it with more subtlety. Granted, it's a comedy, so the tone was wildly different.

Which episode?

Re: China’s plan to organize its society relies on ‘big data’ to rate everyone

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Post by Zhenya » Sun, Oct 23, 2016, 2:41 AM UTC

"Imagine a world where an authoritarian government monitors everything you do, amasses huge amounts of data on almost every interaction you make, and awards you a single score that measures how “trustworthy” you are."

Oh, like the US.

Re: China’s plan to organize its society relies on ‘big data’ to rate everyone

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Post by aerovistae » Sun, Oct 23, 2016, 2:42 AM UTC

anexprogrammer wrote: post #22

aub3bhat wrote: post #2

I just finished watching the Nosedive (Season 3, episode 1) from Black Mirror on Netflix, it shows a similar system. Unlike other Black Mirror episodes its quite well balanced. I would highly highly recommend watching it.

I watched it last night and was struck by how much impact had been lost by Netflix transition. OK they were clearly going for humour, but even with bigger production, and good acting the longer running time diluted it so much. We didn't need the star rating explained every 2 mins for the first 20. Though I think it was that one that's based on a Charlie Brooker story, rather than written by. I actually paused after t…

I just finished the third and have liked all three but agree with you completely. The original runs packed far more punch than what I've seen so far.

Re: China’s plan to organize its society relies on ‘big data’ to rate everyone

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Post by oldmanjay » Sun, Oct 23, 2016, 2:42 AM UTC

rsmoz wrote: post #32

oldmanjay wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia used this concept as a plotline, and managed to treat it with more subtlety. Granted, it's a comedy, so the tone was wildly different.

Which episode?

The Gang Group Dates

Re: China’s plan to organize its society relies on ‘big data’ to rate everyone

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Post by mirimir » Sun, Oct 23, 2016, 2:51 AM UTC

gragas wrote: post #24

How incredibly dystopian of you, China. This is also pretty funny considering it is exactly the premise the first episode of the new Black Mirror season.

Well, I recall news from at least 1-2 years ago about these Chinese plans.

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Post by fvargas » Sun, Oct 23, 2016, 2:56 AM UTC

aub3bhat wrote: post #2

I just finished watching the Nosedive (Season 3, episode 1) from Black Mirror on Netflix, it shows a similar system. Unlike other Black Mirror episodes its quite well balanced. I would highly highly recommend watching it.

Just the title of this post reminds me of the anime Psycho-Pass

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psycho-Pass

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Post by sbd01 » Sun, Oct 23, 2016, 3:05 AM UTC

anexprogrammer wrote: post #22

aub3bhat wrote: post #2

I just finished watching the Nosedive (Season 3, episode 1) from Black Mirror on Netflix, it shows a similar system. Unlike other Black Mirror episodes its quite well balanced. I would highly highly recommend watching it.

I watched it last night and was struck by how much impact had been lost by Netflix transition. OK they were clearly going for humour, but even with bigger production, and good acting the longer running time diluted it so much. We didn't need the star rating explained every 2 mins for the first 20. Though I think it was that one that's based on a Charlie Brooker story, rather than written by. I actually paused after t…

It started like that, but I quite liked San Junipero and Hated in the Nation. The latter was on a similar par to White Christmas, in my opinion.

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Post by chinese_dan » Sun, Oct 23, 2016, 3:07 AM UTC

arjie wrote: post #18

Well, this is bad because it's the Chinese government. But companies like Airbnb have to use proxy metrics like number of Facebook friends. If I could be proven to be the trustworthy person I am, then a host wouldn't need to look at all that. If I'm known to have destroyed someone's home, then someone else on Turo knows better than to rent to me. In practice, it's likely to turn into an eBay style "A++++ best person…

You're insane. This is about having full control over the population.

Imagine a world where saying something bad about a company like Airbnb means you won't get a loan from the bank because the owner is a communist party member and your worthiness score is now reduced to an unacceptable level.

This is a bad idea not because it's the Chinese government. The Chinese government is bad and this is just one more terrible idea that shows us just how far they are willing to go to control the population in perpetuity.

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Post by matthewcford » Sun, Oct 23, 2016, 3:10 AM UTC

postscapes1 wrote: post #8

aub3bhat wrote: post #2

I just finished watching the Nosedive (Season 3, episode 1) from Black Mirror on Netflix, it shows a similar system. Unlike other Black Mirror episodes its quite well balanced. I would highly highly recommend watching it.

Same here, they are doing some very interesting design fiction stuff on this show.... Not always recommend to watch before bed though :)

watched the first three episodes - still can't sleep (its 4am).