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Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by jacquesm »

koolba wrote: post #78
tptacek wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, you disagree with Lessig. You feel, if someone gets involved in any way with politics, all bets are off. They should have Grugq-grade OPSEC or expect to read about their breakups on Pastebin.

> So, you disagree with Lessig. You feel, if someone gets involved in any way with politics, all bets are off. They should have Grugq-grade OPSEC or expect to read about their breakups on Pastebin. Or just keep their political and personal lives separate.

Private individuals can be members of political parties and this is not something that should end up in the public domain. Really, this is about as easy to understand as it gets, in fact in many countries such party memberships and who you vote for is kept extremely secret to make sure that votes can be bought and/or to make sure that there is a place for 'unpopular' parties and candidates.

It's a cornerstone of democracy. Some countries take a much less serious approach to voter registration but especially in Turkey such lists are social dynamite and the release of those lists was absolutely uncalled for and irresponsible.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by Tomte »

Kenji wrote: post #56
alasdair_ wrote: post #44

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There is something really weird going on with the wikileaks twitter right now. Lots of odd posts, lots of misspellings, lots of links to things like Politico that they never linked to before. WAY more partisan than before. This all started the day Equador cut off his net access. Assange has not been seen in public since. How hard would it be for them to post a five second video clip with today's newspaper? Current th…

Yeah. Until the Wikileaks twitter proves itself with a properly signed PGP message, I won't be trusting it anymore (but even then: If the twitter account has been compromised, maybe they also grabbed his PGP keys?). Also, I'm worried about the wellbeing of Assange. As you said, it shouldn't be too hard to give some sign of life, would it.

It's in Assange's interest to let some people believe he has been killed.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by jacquesm »

Gargoyle wrote: post #28
jacquesm wrote: post #23

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They may not be discredited but you have to wonder what has been purposefully left out. Wikileaks as an institution depends very much on being perceived as a-political, simply a bunch of techies that will get your leaked documents out. Over the years they have shifted further and further to becoming a politically actve entity. Part of that is in response to the inevitable backlash to some of the released but that bac…

So going back to my question, you think wikileaks should be shut down?

Shutting it down or not is up to those that run WL, I'm fine with them continuing to leak whatever people send them, in the meantime I'd love to see a serious competitor.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by cylinder »

dirtshell wrote: post #66
skrowl wrote: post #61

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So you only supported them when they leaked stuff about politicians you don't like?

When they acted as a pass through for leaks and supported govt.transparency. Now its pretty clearly a partisan attack on dems with the min focus of profiting and keeping wikileaks generating cash (check out their store, which used to never be a thing, if you don't believe me). The first set of large leaks wikileaks ever did were simply dumps. Now they spoonfeed their leaks, which they claim everyone has a right to kn…

So they should only leak documents if they also have leaks for their subjects' opponents? That's silly.

They have a store? Large sites cost money to run. Shocker.

They play the PR game? They have to because their opponents use tactics to drown them out. They also know the mainstream media has a very short attention span and the leaks would never be talked about again once the news cycle changes. Dropping all the emails at once would be foolish.

If you have a problem with it you are free to start a competing outlet...

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by cylinder »

Theodores wrote: post #9

I do find that there is something surreal about Twitter and the U.S. election, it has become a primary communication channel. We used to have 'I have a dream' speeches, nowadays it is lol txt tweets. Donald Trump's contribution to this tweet-thread is an example: "Wow! @wikileaks admits its supporters are engaged in anti-American cyber-terrorism. No wonder Wikileakes loves me so much! #ImWithPutin" Is that really fro…

You pine for the days of long form communication and yet you can't even correctly determine who the source of the tweet you quote is (hint: not Donald Trump).

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by lern_too_spel »

emp_zealoth wrote: post #68
heartbreak wrote: post #64

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They released Part 15 of Podesta's emails 20 minutes ago. If someone had whisked away Assange and taken over his Twitter account, why would they continue the huge dump of emails?

Apparently nobody gives two shits of a fuck what is in those emails, no matter how unsettling their contents are. Why not keep publishing those while you destroy Wikileaks?

I think you missed that nobody gives two shits because the contents are completely pedestrian except to conspiracy theorists who come up with conspiracies out of absolutely everything. Example: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/wiki-10-draft-in-pro...

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by lern_too_spel »

rys wrote: post #54
onlycommenting wrote: post #51

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That's not what it looks like at all...

Can you explain what you think it does look like? As a layperson, it's hard to know where the truth lies.

There is no evidence that Assange's internet access was cut off due to pedophilia charges. The origin of this story has admitted that the evidence was fabricated. http://m.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/17/1583749/-Julian-Assan...

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by lern_too_spel »

belorn wrote: post #58
jacquesm wrote: post #6

Wikileaks is apparently on a mission to destroy whatever credibility they had left. They seem to be taking a leaf out of the IS playbook here, any random attack that is moderately successful gets claimed as one of theirs. It isn't a week since they were extremely economical with the truth regarding Assange's internet access ('state actor cut off their internet' -> 'Ecuador has pulled the plug on Assange's laptop'). T…

> What will replace wikileaks? Pastebin seem popular tool for data dumps, and no one blames the owners for not redacting names. None also talks about the owner, their personality traits, and so on.

Pastebin's operators don't act as editor.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by scruple »

1337biz wrote: post #80
emp_zealoth wrote: post #68

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Apparently nobody gives two shits of a fuck what is in those emails, no matter how unsettling their contents are. Why not keep publishing those while you destroy Wikileaks?

It is amazing to watch this. Even if you are the most dedicated Clinton supporter there is, you have to realize how one sided media orgs across the line can become.

> Even if you are the most dedicated Clinton supporter there is, you have to realize how one sided media orgs across the line can become.

You'd be surprised. My friends and family seem to be doubling down on it. They either outright don't care or they are encouraged by the underhandedness of it all.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by marcosdumay »

tptacek wrote: post #63
godd2 wrote: post #42

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If they were in danger, perhaps we should blame those who were pointing guns.

What invasion of privacy can't you excuse this way? Any harm caused by a violation of privacy will always have some more proximate cause.

> What invasion of privacy can't you excuse this way?

The ones made by the same people pointing the guns.

I'm completely at loss what to think about recent events, but godd2's argument isn't trivial.

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