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Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by onlycommenting »

pmorici wrote: post #38
anondon wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If what Assange and team are going through is any indication, the US Government has set a dangerous precedent in how it deals with people who go against the establishment, exposing it. They spin a narrative saying he broke certain laws, which is true, but doesn't explain how hard they are hitting Assange with behind the scenes activities to extradite him to the USA. The real motivation is to get back at Assange for p…

https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/587lbg/i_have_be... It's looking like the latest allegations against him of pedophilia were totally false and fabricated by supporters of the Clinton campaign. Edit: the above link doesn't spell it out but the the toddandclare.com website it is talking about is allegedly a totally fake dating site that submitted a false report to the Bahamanian police and issued a fake repo…

That's not what it looks like at all...

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by koolba »

idlewords wrote: post #29
anondon wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> what can wikileaks do that some other website can't? No fear of going against the establishment. How many websites that you know of reveal such classified information and get wide press coverage for the same? I don't fully understand Assange's political motivations, but the world is definitely better off with Wikileaks than without.

Think about a world where every country has an embassy with an Assange in it, and document dumps like we've seen are a routine weapon in information warfare. It's not a very nice world to imagine. The people who get hurt are ordinary citizens whose info winds up in these giant data drops.

> Think about a world where every country has an embassy with an Assange in it, and document dumps like we've seen are a routine weapon in information warfare.

Most countries have this already. It's called the CIA or whatever the local equivalent is. The only difference is that rather than publishing directly, they leak information to media outlets for dissemination.

> It's not a very nice world to imagine. The people who get hurt are ordinary citizens whose info winds up in these giant data drops.

Bah, it can't be worse. The ordinary citizens that can get hurt by stuff like this are in countries that can (and will) already hurt them for less or even nothing. The common citizens of western democracies have nothing to fear.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by rys »

onlycommenting wrote: post #51
pmorici wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiLeaks/comments/587lbg/i_have_be... It's looking like the latest allegations against him of pedophilia were totally false and fabricated by supporters of the Clinton campaign. Edit: the above link doesn't spell it out but the the toddandclare.com website it is talking about is allegedly a totally fake dating site that submitted a false report to the Bahamanian police and issued a fake repo…

That's not what it looks like at all...

Can you explain what you think it does look like? As a layperson, it's hard to know where the truth lies.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by angry-hacker »

dandare wrote: post #7
jacquesm wrote: post #6

Wikileaks is apparently on a mission to destroy whatever credibility they had left. They seem to be taking a leaf out of the IS playbook here, any random attack that is moderately successful gets claimed as one of theirs. It isn't a week since they were extremely economical with the truth regarding Assange's internet access ('state actor cut off their internet' -> 'Ecuador has pulled the plug on Assange's laptop'). T…

I absolutely agree. What Wikileaks did for peace and democracy cannot be disputed but I could not say I am their supporter any more. I wonder how much of it is Assange's personality and questionable political views and how much is of it is campaign orchestrated by almost all-powerful secret services but it probably doesn't even matter at this point.

What are the questionable political views you are talking about?

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by Kenji »

alasdair_ wrote: post #44
jacquesm wrote: post #6

Wikileaks is apparently on a mission to destroy whatever credibility they had left. They seem to be taking a leaf out of the IS playbook here, any random attack that is moderately successful gets claimed as one of theirs. It isn't a week since they were extremely economical with the truth regarding Assange's internet access ('state actor cut off their internet' -> 'Ecuador has pulled the plug on Assange's laptop'). T…

There is something really weird going on with the wikileaks twitter right now. Lots of odd posts, lots of misspellings, lots of links to things like Politico that they never linked to before. WAY more partisan than before. This all started the day Equador cut off his net access. Assange has not been seen in public since. How hard would it be for them to post a five second video clip with today's newspaper? Current th…

Yeah. Until the Wikileaks twitter proves itself with a properly signed PGP message, I won't be trusting it anymore (but even then: If the twitter account has been compromised, maybe they also grabbed his PGP keys?). Also, I'm worried about the wellbeing of Assange. As you said, it shouldn't be too hard to give some sign of life, would it.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by mcv »

dandare wrote: post #7
jacquesm wrote: post #6

Wikileaks is apparently on a mission to destroy whatever credibility they had left. They seem to be taking a leaf out of the IS playbook here, any random attack that is moderately successful gets claimed as one of theirs. It isn't a week since they were extremely economical with the truth regarding Assange's internet access ('state actor cut off their internet' -> 'Ecuador has pulled the plug on Assange's laptop'). T…

I absolutely agree. What Wikileaks did for peace and democracy cannot be disputed but I could not say I am their supporter any more. I wonder how much of it is Assange's personality and questionable political views and how much is of it is campaign orchestrated by almost all-powerful secret services but it probably doesn't even matter at this point.

My position exactly. They did a lot of good work in their early days, and although they handled the Manning leaks badly, I agree that it contained information that needed public scrutiny. But after that, the success and power seems to have gone to Assange's head. Some early Wikileaks members left because of conflicts with Assange. And now it increasingly looks like it's all about him, and not about fighting censorship and fighting for transparency.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by belorn »

jacquesm wrote: post #6

Wikileaks is apparently on a mission to destroy whatever credibility they had left. They seem to be taking a leaf out of the IS playbook here, any random attack that is moderately successful gets claimed as one of theirs. It isn't a week since they were extremely economical with the truth regarding Assange's internet access ('state actor cut off their internet' -> 'Ecuador has pulled the plug on Assange's laptop'). T…

> What will replace wikileaks?

Pastebin seem popular tool for data dumps, and no one blames the owners for not redacting names. None also talks about the owner, their personality traits, and so on.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by g8oz »

As far as I'm concerned Assange is a delusional megalomaniac and has attracted similar types it seems. The organisation could have been something special instead of a support structure for this self-important, posturing bloviating. Snowden has advanced the cause far more with his considered advocacy.

Re: We ask supporters to stop taking down the US internet. You proved your point

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Post by Pica_soO »

jacquesm wrote: post #6

Wikileaks is apparently on a mission to destroy whatever credibility they had left. They seem to be taking a leaf out of the IS playbook here, any random attack that is moderately successful gets claimed as one of theirs. It isn't a week since they were extremely economical with the truth regarding Assange's internet access ('state actor cut off their internet' -> 'Ecuador has pulled the plug on Assange's laptop'). T…

They learned the lesson. No laws and rules and rights are respected,nothing is sacred, the only thing keeping the beast called man from your throat is nuclear weapons. The reason why Putin gets away with Syria and Ukraine, all that keeps you alive in this unraveling world is a gun. So why is this madness, its a nuclear weapons by a non-state entity, protecting rights that where once protected by constitutions.
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