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Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by YCode »

bisby wrote: post #100
luso_brazilian wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your presupposition is that it is in Google's (and Youtube's) best interest to guarantee that videos are correctly allowed or denied based on the balance of copyright, trademark and fair use. It could very well be that their best interest is in satisfying their big customers, the companies that invest massive amounts of money in advertising, publishing and divulging their products and services through Google platform…

It's amazing how people act like they have the "right" to post some content anywhere. Youtube, facebook, reddit, hacker news are all private organizations. They are not legally obligated to host your content (in some cases, like copyright infringement, they are legally obligated to NOT host your content). The only thing that keeps these sites from arbitrarily censoring their users is money. If facebook deleted every…

Funny how people tend to view things like malls and social media as public places. It's a mass illusion we all place on what is inevitably a biased corporate product fully intended to make money.

It would be interesting to see what a municipal social media platform would look like.

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Post by colejohnson66 »

bisby wrote: post #100
luso_brazilian wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your presupposition is that it is in Google's (and Youtube's) best interest to guarantee that videos are correctly allowed or denied based on the balance of copyright, trademark and fair use. It could very well be that their best interest is in satisfying their big customers, the companies that invest massive amounts of money in advertising, publishing and divulging their products and services through Google platform…

It's amazing how people act like they have the "right" to post some content anywhere. Youtube, facebook, reddit, hacker news are all private organizations. They are not legally obligated to host your content (in some cases, like copyright infringement, they are legally obligated to NOT host your content). The only thing that keeps these sites from arbitrarily censoring their users is money. If facebook deleted every…

Capitalism is great, but if it gets out of hand, government intervention is needed. Two good examples are the breakup of Ma Bell and US v. Microsoft (2001). For a present day problem, look no further than ISPs.

Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by 6stringmerc »

jnagro wrote: post #5
turblety wrote: post #4

By uploading a parody video of a Samsung Galaxy exploding, I don't understand how there is a law being broken? Can someone explain how this is a copyright issue?

You're right. Satire is fair use.

Quick clarification: Parody is Fair Use protected, Satire is not. There's a distinct difference. For a real-world, tech/music battle that showed how true this distinction is, research GoldiBlox vs. Beastie Boys (settled out of court).

Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by colejohnson66 »

akerro wrote: post #30
milankragujevic wrote: post #16

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Yes unfortunately copyright trolls will complain about that because "It's not fair" and "dem pirates took our jobs"... They want to be able to use the DMCA to flag anything their employer doesn't like, whether it's actual copyright infringement, criticism under the fair use, or criticism without even using their content... Sad truth about the freedom on the Internet and the DMCA.

>Warner Bros. flags own site for piracy, orders Google to censor pages http://arstechnica.co.uk/tech-policy/2016/09/warner-bros-fla...

It would've been hilarious if Google actually blocked those pages out of spite

Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by xenophonf »

mountaineer22 wrote: post #66
pooper wrote: post #63

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> Let me add, if somebody would be willing to subsidize such a service (large co, or gov) Except that such a large co or gov would probably not allow certain videos against itself. Can I force them to host it against their wishes? I don't mean to add this link sarcastically: https://youtu.be/8CMxDNuuAiQ Maybe we have hope with ipfs? It looks promising to me https://www.reddit.com/r/ipfs/comments/4eyc3v/ipfstube_a_pla…

No, I understood you. Benevolent 501c3, maybe? Really, the answer would be in symmetric last-mile internet connections, no? Having the ability to host and distribute/stream video would change many things in these industries.

As an aside, why aren't symmetric last-mile Internet connections a thing? Is it a technical, physical capacity thing, is it a customer demand thing, or what? The last time I had symmetric bandwidth was back in the days of ISDN.

Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by colejohnson66 »

jhasse wrote: post #21
nailer wrote: post #12

Wonder if the attention put on YouTube here will inspire Google to fix the financial and political 'infringement' takedowns. Eg, during the takedown process, have something like: > [ ] I understand that satire and political commentary does not in itself consititute copyright infringement, and that I am not filing this notice on the basis of the video satirizing or making commentary on my copywritten content. > [ ] I…

How about an alternative to YouTube? It's such a pity that online videos have become so centralized ...

There's the Internet Archive. Not a good place for your personal files, but for stuff like this GTA mod, it should work. They have "Gangnam Style" there[0].

[0]: https://archive.org/details/Psy-GangnamStyle_8

Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by IgorPartola »

mountaineer22 wrote: post #66
pooper wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Let me add, if somebody would be willing to subsidize such a service (large co, or gov) Except that such a large co or gov would probably not allow certain videos against itself. Can I force them to host it against their wishes? I don't mean to add this link sarcastically: https://youtu.be/8CMxDNuuAiQ Maybe we have hope with ipfs? It looks promising to me https://www.reddit.com/r/ipfs/comments/4eyc3v/ipfstube_a_pla…

No, I understood you. Benevolent 501c3, maybe? Really, the answer would be in symmetric last-mile internet connections, no? Having the ability to host and distribute/stream video would change many things in these industries.

I can see Mozilla doing something like this.

Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by jMyles »

oldmanjay wrote: post #109
jMyles wrote: post #34

I love you all. :-) Here we are again, and this thread is full of comments about whether this was afoul of DMCA or whether there's a way to adjust the system so that these claims will be more costly to the claimant. We need to break open the head here, people! We're scientists, right? Step back from your political ideologies and your fears and tell me what the real problem is with this biological system. Right: it's…

I have great news! There are a ton of video hosts on the web, who attack the problem from all different angles. Your solution already exists ! You must be thrilled.

I can't quite tell if you are being sarcastic?

...but yes, I am thrilled! The internet increasingly seems to have a will about it, and one that organizes around basic principles of freedom and decentralization. So that's good news.

I haven't quite picked a video delivery solution yet; I'm still largely a YouTube user. Do you have a suggestion or guide?

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