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Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by emp_zealoth »

cortesoft wrote: post #59
nailer wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why we have 'I understand incorrectly flagging may delay response' which would change the financial incentives. If Samsung waste Google's time with false takedowns of satirical content, Google won't be able to respond to, eg, companies marketing fake Galaxy phones or similar as fast as they would otherwise. Likewise if trolls incorrectly flag videos critiquing them Google won't be able to respond as quickly to…

I think the person you are responding to's point is what does Google gain by changing its takedown procedure? Does Google really care if they take down some non-infringing content? Is it going to hurt their traffic that much?

Google is working hard to make content creators quit.

Lack of real recourse against false flagging and takedowns, new "advertiser friendly" rules, the new hero system (top 10 or so most downvoted video on youtube, absolutely the worst ratio

If they really start pushing on enforcement of this bullshit there will be nothing for me to watch there, just shitty non-content nonsense.

AvE is not PC, EEVBlog also is not PC, Louis Rossman swears in his videos, singsing streams are full of racial jokes, stereotypes and the like.

Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by fizgig »

stevarino wrote: post #93
mattnewton wrote: post #85

Oh boy, Streisand effect in full swing. Block a YouTube video and now get to the front page of the BBC.

Sadly I don't think Samsung has to worry about the Streisand effect: how much worse can it really get for them? This is just damage control for their products not to become complete jokes.

But Samsung has now become a joke for trying to take down the original jokes. I don't see how anyone at, or working for, Samsung felt this was in the company's best interest.

Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by Declanomous »

1_2__3 wrote: post #54
jnagro wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right. Satire is fair use.

This isn't even a fair use defense, and I'm utterly baffled why anyone (let alone most people) in this thread seems to think it is. Copyright does not protect Samsung from having their products rendered (in other words, I'm not breaking the law by drawing a picture of a Samsung phone) or their name mentioned. Copyright does not protect marks, that's Trademarks. Copyright does not protect basic look and feel. There's…

>This is basically like Samsung trying to DMCA a newspaper from mentioning their name or publishing a picture of their phone.

I have no doubt that companies would do that if they could. Fortunately such draconian censorship methods aren't as effective against print media, especially when said media is ephemeral in the first place.

If the goal of the DMCA is to protect creative works, then it's a huge failure no matter how you look at it. Not only is it being used as a weapon against people who are actually creating innovative and original works, it is useless for protecting those very same individuals. The creative work of individuals is stolen and shared millions of times each day on sites like Facebook, imgur, tumblr, and instagram, generating ad revenue for the parent site, and followers for the pages and individuals committing the thefts, and leaving the creators of the content with nothing.

You can submit a takedown request as an individual, but by the time it's honored the post was old news anyways.

I don't have YouTube right now, but here's an article that gives a good rundown of the Facebook video controversy: http://www.businessinsider.com/how-facebook-is-stealing-bill...

Edit: And another link which goes in to a bit more depth: http://www.businessinsider.com/facebook-copyright-infringeme...

Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by gambiting »

cmdrfred wrote: post #83
gambiting wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government of the country those factories are operating in, perhaps???

So manifest destiny is your arugment essentially?

I literally had no idea what that was, and after googling it have no clue how it relates. So the answer is - I don't know.

Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by mattnewton »

shostack wrote: post #92
mattnewton wrote: post #85

Oh boy, Streisand effect in full swing. Block a YouTube video and now get to the front page of the BBC.

That's the part I don't get. Presumably they have a PR team that aren't idiots with the money they have. Surely they had to have thought this might happen, right? Right?!

I imagine it's separate teams. Everyone is probably doing everything they can as fast as they can.

Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by oldmanjay »

clarry wrote: post #62
jMyles wrote: post #34

I love you all. :-) Here we are again, and this thread is full of comments about whether this was afoul of DMCA or whether there's a way to adjust the system so that these claims will be more costly to the claimant. We need to break open the head here, people! We're scientists, right? Step back from your political ideologies and your fears and tell me what the real problem is with this biological system. Right: it's…

I can't fix the problem so it's up to you. Good luck. Increasingly, we live in a world of corporate ownership. Not private property.

I'd love some idea of how to distinguish between corporate ownership and private property. Can you list some attributes that help toward that task?

Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by oldmanjay »

jMyles wrote: post #34

I love you all. :-) Here we are again, and this thread is full of comments about whether this was afoul of DMCA or whether there's a way to adjust the system so that these claims will be more costly to the claimant. We need to break open the head here, people! We're scientists, right? Step back from your political ideologies and your fears and tell me what the real problem is with this biological system. Right: it's…

I have great news! There are a ton of video hosts on the web, who attack the problem from all different angles. Your solution already exists! You must be thrilled.

Re: Samsung 'blocks' exploding Note 7 parody videos

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Post by joesmo »

This is why we need strict, very harsh penalties for abuse of copyright (and patent laws). This has NOTHING to do with copyright, yet these Samsung assholes file claims with Youtube? How about 1% net revenue fine for every wrongful copyright claim (like, but not limited to, a bad DMCA claim), increasing by 1% (with no limit other than at 100% you lose the business) for every wrongful subsequent claim? But of course, this will never happen. Personally, I see these kinds of attacks as justification for piracy and the willful disobedience of our incredibly stupid laws (in the US).
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