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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by tigershark »

sbierwagen wrote: post #809
aerovistae wrote: post #617

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I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…

If we're continuing the iPhone metaphor from the GP, note that Apple is almost always late to a market segment. When the iPhone was released, Windows CE had owned the smartphone segment for years. The iPod was hardly the first hard drive mp3 player. Apple Watch wasn't the first smart watch. Etc etc etc. Apple makes good products, not innovative ones. It is not at all unthinkable that someone else will release a bette…

Clearly you never used a windows Mobile device if you can even think to compare the experience with those awful devices with a far, far superior experience. The iPhone is the first smartphone as we know them today, denying it is simply lying.

Source: I owned Windows CE / windows mobile devices since as early as 2001 if I recall correctly.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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jaxn wrote: post #927
tempestn wrote: post #925

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The iPhone was the first smartphone without a physical keyboard, allowing for a much more functional screen in a convenient form factor, right? I recall it seeming like a non-trivial difference at the time, and clearly a game-changing one.

No. There was a Palm Treo smartphone without a keyboard first. It even had a 3rd party app ecosystem.

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by tempestn »

jaxn wrote: post #927
tempestn wrote: post #925

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The iPhone was the first smartphone without a physical keyboard, allowing for a much more functional screen in a convenient form factor, right? I recall it seeming like a non-trivial difference at the time, and clearly a game-changing one.

No. There was a Palm Treo smartphone without a keyboard first. It even had a 3rd party app ecosystem.

All the pictures I can find of Palm Treos have keyboards. Which model was it that didn't?

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by hjnilsson »

Diederich wrote: post #431
teebot wrote: post #366

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I don't know if any amount of data collection and model refinement will allow self driving in ALL situations. We always see self driving demos in California on very large roads, I'd like to see one in a small crowded street of Napoli or on a crossroad in Ho-Chi Minh.

> very large roads I've seen quite a few Google self driving cars on Castro in Mountain View. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4082/4939372588_47979bceec_z.... That picture doesn't do it justice during the most busy hours of the evening, where there's tons of people crossing and bicycles flying about in every direction. Given that, I've never seen a crowded street in Napoli or a crossroad in Ho-Chi Minh, but I can imag…

That is an hilarious example compared to streets in Europe. I'm interested how it would tackle this road for example: https://www.google.no/maps/@40.9956543,17.2208349,3a,75y,266...

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by kaolti »

woodpanel wrote: post #755
aerovistae wrote: post #617

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I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…

> It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down. As much as I anticipate more cool stuff from Tesla, one could say the same about akin-ness of people to find everything that Tesla does "super innovative" and "revolutionary" while the same features already existed in other cars for quite some time. I actually laughed out loud when I saw the Headline of this submission "Tesla…

There is no such thing as neutrality, unless you're a robot.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by gruturo »

AlexandrB wrote: post #906
waqf wrote: post #696

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> the first-gem iPhone couldn't kill people Indeed, it took Samsung to develop that technology.* *Joke; in fact Israeli security services invented it in the '90s ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_Ayyash ). Also there aren't reported fatalities from Note 7 explosions.

> Indeed, it took Samsung to develop that technology. This is a good counterargument to anyone who says Samsung just copies Apple :D

> This is a good counterargument to anyone who says Samsung just copies Apple :D

To be fair, Apple got there first, although I doubt they're proud of it, and probably they were not the absolute first.

A very small number of iPhone 4 (or was it 4S?) had defective batteries which caught fire.

What Samsung can claim an absolute first for, though, is providing replacements which are just as dangerous.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

woodpanel wrote: post #755
aerovistae wrote: post #617

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…

> It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down. As much as I anticipate more cool stuff from Tesla, one could say the same about akin-ness of people to find everything that Tesla does "super innovative" and "revolutionary" while the same features already existed in other cars for quite some time. I actually laughed out loud when I saw the Headline of this submission "Tesla…

Eh, I don't think it's HN being fond of Tesla. I think it's just that Tesla (rather, Elon Musk) is very good at grabbing headlines and people are sometimes not as well informed about the state-of-the-art as they wish they were.

Same thing happens with other companies of course. Er, Apple, in particular. If you ask most people "what was the first smartphone?", they will probably say "the first iPhone"... even though there were a few earlier devices that used the same tech and would have been called "smartphones" today (by the same token as the original iPhone). They just never caught on in the same way as the iPhone did.

It's marketing, innit. I don't think you can win against it.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

aerovistae wrote: post #650
beambot wrote: post #635

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> Having the equipment ready and in action first... That seems to be Ms. Caldwell's point: Without the software or regulations in place, it's impossible to know if the "equipment is ready." I don't disagree with her on this one. (And I am long TSLA.)

The strategy Musk has clearly been using for a long time now with this is to put as much hardware and software into the field as possible, often even without the customers knowing it's there, and gathering vast amounts of data from it, and gradually forcing it into widespread availability and acceptance, all while letting the system learn and improve itself, which is a necessary step. He's doing what he does best: fo…

>> The strategy Musk has clearly been using for a long time now (redacted for brevity)

Elon Musk does what he does best alright: make billions. The rest is just educated guesses at best.

At worse, any attempt to "explain" marketing strategy as some sort of passionate drive to improve the technology, or similar, is just so much cold-reading yourself at for the benefit of a commercial company's bottom line.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

artursapek wrote: post #924
radiorental wrote: post #920

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dude, tesla isn't even on the list.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_car#History

It is on the list, and notice I said "mass market" vehicles. No other manufacturer, even today, has as many autonomous cars on the road as them. And the ones that do exist are not as advanced as Tesla's. These other car companies have had so much more time and resources, and they have not pushed the way Tesla has.

Because Tesla needs to make a lot of money, very quickly. The other makers are already big, and can afford to play it safe. Tesla has to keep risking everything in silly marketing tricks.

They'll cool down in a few years (or disappear).

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Post by [deleted] »

flexie wrote: post #726
irq11 wrote: post #621

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This is an area where it's easy to be too credulous. If you want "iPhone 1 of self-driving cars", Google has been tooling around in them for a while now. They do a great job under ideal conditions, on a sunny day. The future already happened! It simply isn't enough to post a video of a car driving in light traffic on a beautiful, California afternoon. That isn't what makes the problem hard. Mess up with your video-ba…

Google's cars are not iPhone 1. They still just have a few dozen or a few hundred, who knows, and they have only been driving 2 million miles until now. They are not even for sale and will not be any time soon. Oor ever, if they don't market their own electric cars very soon or hook up with a car manufacturer. Tesla can collect data from 5 billion miles of driving already one year after the Giga Factory is full opera…

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