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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by taeric »

spyspy wrote: post #840
cpwright wrote: post #832

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> Having the equipment ready and in action first is somehow a disadvantage by this argument, and now you're better off being later to market. So I think it might be from an investment standpoint; just think of Tivo they made the DVR, but once others saw what they were doing there are plenty of other DVR choices and Tivo didn't win the category. Tesla might be forging ahead and blazing the trail for others, who will a…

It's not a horrible comparison, but the barriers to entry between an electric car (+entire charging network) are much higher than a DVR. First mover advantage digs a bigger moat.

Meh. The advantage you will want in the vehicle space is who is the "most mover." Production pipelines will be a huge asset for big players.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by zone411 »

duderific wrote: post #864
macNchz wrote: post #685

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This is one of my favorite nuggets of internet history–also excellent because the thread ID (500) makes it easy to find since it'll redirect from: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/500 .

That is GOLD! My favorite comment is this, which is so wrong it almost sounds sarcastic: "I still can't believe this! All this hype for something so ridiculous! Who cares about an MP3 player? I want something new! I want them to think differently! Why oh why would they do this?! It's so wrong! It's so stupid!"

For balance, here are other comments from the first two pages of that thread:

"Come on everyone, y'all are saying it sucks before you have even held it in your hand. I mean 5GB in a little tiny thing like that, it's amazing. I don't see anyone else making something like that. Do you?"

"No matter what Apple does there are always people who are NEVER happy. Give it a rest. It's a great idea and the first of many."

"The truth is that is really is revolutionary. 5 gigs? Where do you see 5 gigs in an Mp3 player?"

"This is not like any other MP3 player on the market, imagine being able to store several days worth of music at once! The iPod will be great for travelers, students, heck anyone who is really into music"

"This thing's too cool. It makes my Rio 500 (recently upgraded to hold 128 MB of songs) look pathetic. It's beautiful. It looks too easy to use. It has all sorts of cool features that I will never live without again. This is a home run, and y'all who keep complaining its not a $200 Newton device, buy a Visor. They can play MP3s, by the way, but they're still stuck in the 21st century compared to the iPod."

"THIS THING IS AMAZING!!!

It's not jus ANOTHER mp3 player. It's a BREAKTROUGH mp3 player!"

"with all the hype surrounding it, the iPod still came out looking quite good."

"I think it looks like a great toy. The price is steep for 5 GB, but everything else about it is great."

"iPod is a great idea. It has huge capacity for MP3s (5GB is much more than any other similarly sized mp3 toy), syncs with iTunes, and a nicely sized backlit LCD screen with good battery life (10hours). Recharges by FireWIre is also a neat thing."

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by sheer_horror »

Klathmon wrote: post #137
thesimon wrote: post #70

If you go to the order page of the Model S, it says for the "Full Self-Driving Hardware": >Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year. Interesting decision.

That's a really fucking shitty thing to do, and is gonna cause some pretty big waves IMO if they follow through with it. The issues with not being able to modify your own stuff is already really shitty, but its not something that the average Joe really can understand easily, and even less care about it. But not being able to USE your car for some things? That just screams easy headlines and it's a reason I might not…

Facebook, Google, Amazon, and every other huge company are huge because of their monopolies. Tesla would be making a massive mistake to not start walling in their garden.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by artursapek »

radiorental wrote: post #920
artursapek wrote: post #689

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Nobody would be developing mass-market self-driving cars right now if not for Musk.

dude, tesla isn't even on the list.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_car#History

It is on the list, and notice I said "mass market" vehicles. No other manufacturer, even today, has as many autonomous cars on the road as them. And the ones that do exist are not as advanced as Tesla's.

These other car companies have had so much more time and resources, and they have not pushed the way Tesla has.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by tempestn »

sbierwagen wrote: post #809
aerovistae wrote: post #617

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I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…

If we're continuing the iPhone metaphor from the GP, note that Apple is almost always late to a market segment. When the iPhone was released, Windows CE had owned the smartphone segment for years. The iPod was hardly the first hard drive mp3 player. Apple Watch wasn't the first smart watch. Etc etc etc. Apple makes good products, not innovative ones. It is not at all unthinkable that someone else will release a bette…

The iPhone was the first smartphone without a physical keyboard, allowing for a much more functional screen in a convenient form factor, right? I recall it seeming like a non-trivial difference at the time, and clearly a game-changing one.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by jfim »

Diederich wrote: post #876
irq11 wrote: post #744

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Not sure why you keep talking about the gigafactory as if that's relevant to self-driving cars. Your only point can be summarized in one sentence: they've released a senor suite into the field, and through some combination of Big Data and magical AI, they will win. This, as much as anything else, is a religious belief. Ultimately, this game is about the sensors. If your sensor suite is inadequate to detect every conc…

> but instinct tells me they're not up to the task of all-condition driving From a sensor perspective, what does a human have that are missing in the new Tesla suite? The sensors cover the whole spectrum of light humans can see, plus a lot more. There is also ultrasonic sonar. And, of course, all of this is 360 degrees.

Human eyes have significantly higher dynamic range than cameras though, which is important when you have scenes with both dark and brightly illuminated areas.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by jaxn »

tempestn wrote: post #925
sbierwagen wrote: post #809

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If we're continuing the iPhone metaphor from the GP, note that Apple is almost always late to a market segment. When the iPhone was released, Windows CE had owned the smartphone segment for years. The iPod was hardly the first hard drive mp3 player. Apple Watch wasn't the first smart watch. Etc etc etc. Apple makes good products, not innovative ones. It is not at all unthinkable that someone else will release a bette…

The iPhone was the first smartphone without a physical keyboard, allowing for a much more functional screen in a convenient form factor, right? I recall it seeming like a non-trivial difference at the time, and clearly a game-changing one.

No. There was a Palm Treo smartphone without a keyboard first. It even had a 3rd party app ecosystem.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by _abak_ »

VeejayRampay wrote: post #332
_abak_ wrote: post #313

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All miles are not created equals though. Sure Tesla will gather a lot of data quickly but most of this data will be from people who use their car for their daily commute, everyday at roughly the same hour. This doesn't have the same value as data from different areas/road conditions/time of day

The USA is a big country with a lot of variety though. Different timezones, climates, terrain. It does provide some coverage I would think.

Sure. I am mostly wondering about the demographics of Tesla owners. My guess would be that people who own Tesla cars tend to live in similar areas, with comparable lifestyle. There is also the case of driving style. I doubt there are people that tend to drive like my grandmother, and I would assume that a variety of driving style is important as well.

All I'm saying is that the claim of N million miles should be taken with a grain of salt as long as you do not know the entropy that these miles contain.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by tzakrajs »

sssilver wrote: post #714

Man I sure hope human-driven vehicles/internal combustion engines won't be deemed illegal in my lifetime. I still enjoy driving my motorcycle down the road, feeling the engine vibe on my fingertips, and hearing it click click rumble rumble vroom. This video made me worry.

Just get an amendement to the constitution and you can use it for as long as you would like!

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by mycall »

spyspy wrote: post #840
cpwright wrote: post #832

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having the equipment ready and in action first is somehow a disadvantage by this argument, and now you're better off being later to market. So I think it might be from an investment standpoint; just think of Tivo they made the DVR, but once others saw what they were doing there are plenty of other DVR choices and Tivo didn't win the category. Tesla might be forging ahead and blazing the trail for others, who will a…

It's not a horrible comparison, but the barriers to entry between an electric car (+entire charging network) are much higher than a DVR. First mover advantage digs a bigger moat.

Telsa open sourced their charging network.
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