When it will be possible to use Tesla having no driving license? So I just get in the car as a passenger, like a taxi, but without a driver.
All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
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> It's probably enough for freeway driving under good conditions. It might rule out driving in fog or snow, but if the weather is OK then the sensor suite is probably enough for driving on any paved road. I think you are underestimating how quickly Tesla's AI software can improve. The AI will always be running and checking to see if the driver does anything unexpected. For example if you brake or swerve suddenly when…
"I think you're underestimating how quickly Tesla'a AI software can improve" Do you have any basis for that statement, other than that you like Elon Musk, and read an article about "big data" once? I have actual experience in this field. The parent is right: the sensors matter more than hypothetical gains from "big data". Because right now, sensors suck . There's a reason every serious player in this game is plopping…
This would be a high quality comment if you removed the first and last sentences.
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What is with all these meta posts on HN recently by people who think they understand HN, and then need to tell everyone that they are not fitting into their idea of HN? And why are you comparing iPhones to self driving cars? That's like comparing paper airplanes to commercial airliners. Honestly posts like these should be automod deleted.
> Honestly posts like these should be automod deleted. Are you not simultaneously advocating and decrying the exact same activity?
That's funny, but it's not quite accurate. There's a difference between a) saying that certain viewpoints don't belong here, and b) saying that comments which say that certain viewpoints don't belong here don't belong here.
It's like there are three positions:
1. Certain viewpoints or comments should not be allowed. 2. Everything should be allowed except comments which say that certain things shouldn't be allowed (i.e. tolerant of everything except intolerance). 3. Everything should be allowed.
#1 is intolerant, #2 is an attempt at enforced tolerance (which is necessarily intolerant in itself), and #3 is actual tolerance.
It seems to me that the real problem is that meta discussions are frowned upon on HN, but there is no designated place to have them instead. So whenever someone starts one, they face the risk of censure-by-downvote.
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#904So what do these cars do when the hit a puddle of mud and it covers all the cameras. Will there be a new form of vandalism where someone puts scotch tape over/destroys the vehicles cameras and now your fancy autonomous vehicle is rendered incapacitated. Maybe this seems unlikely or ridiculous, but the dependence on cameras at points on the car that seem likely to get dirty and or damaged seems to be a risk to me.
Tires are likely to be damaged and are crucial (and can be vandalized) and cars run okay. The camera going out probably won't be much worse than all the times my tires went flat or that time when my tire blew out while I was going 75 down the highway.
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"Data collection that would take years can happen in weeks" I think that we are talking days, not weeks, or probably that Teslas can have multiple teams testing various hardware and algorithms at the same time: Tesla plans on producing 500k cars per year from 2018. If all of them have this equipment, and they drive a conservative 10k miles per year in average, Tesla will gather data from 5 billion miles driven after…
I don't know if any amount of data collection and model refinement will allow self driving in ALL situations. We always see self driving demos in California on very large roads, I'd like to see one in a small crowded street of Napoli or on a crossroad in Ho-Chi Minh.
Here in Pittsburgh I see Uber's self driving cars every once in a while. We've some pretty crazy/small/hilly roads here.
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Yeah but the first-gem iPhone couldn't kill people. A poorly-built car easily can. I like Tesla, just pointing out why people are right to demand they get it at least as good as humans before pushing it to market.
> the first-gem iPhone couldn't kill people Indeed, it took Samsung to develop that technology.* *Joke; in fact Israeli security services invented it in the '90s ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahya_Ayyash ). Also there aren't reported fatalities from Note 7 explosions.
> Indeed, it took Samsung to develop that technology.
This is a good counterargument to anyone who says Samsung just copies Apple :D
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#907Compared to the autopilot I've experienced in my model S, this video shows these features (and probably some more I missed):
- following a path from a map instead of following a specific lane of traffic.
- turns
- recognition of stop signs and light signals
- highway onramp and offramp
- self-parking that finds its own parking spot and works without driver in the vehicle
- better music than I have on my playlist
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"It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion)." Even now, several years into the current news/development arc of self-driving cars, I still can't believe this is going to be the future. We're really never going to european (or japanese) style train networks ? We're really going to keep binging on roads ? We, as a nation of fat slobs [1] are re…
This! A million times this! While self driving cars will do great things for people such as yourself (and overall I fully support their development/adoption), I also share the fear that it will prevent American urban centers from a desperately needed shift away from cars dependence in favor of better public transit and urban density. I really don't see the idea of every person in the country having their own personal…
Actually, this maybe a step forward towards better mass transit, if there is one. If I run an autonomous taxi service to pick/drop people, and if I see that there is money to be made by offering to pick/drop multiple people at once, why wouldn't I? Economics of bus is relatively minor compared to investing and operating trains, so this may very well be a possibility.
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#909I wonder how this will compare against geohotz' comma.ai aftermarket self driving kit that he promises to ship by end of year. He calls his company's technology level 3, which is more like autopilot, as opposed to level 4, which is a fully autonomous self driving car e.g. Google's. Does Tesla aim to eventually have a fully autonomous self driving car?
What the fuck do you think? They're making money selling cars as opposed to google.
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#910Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…
It's not at all the same -- self-driving cars can risk the lives not only of the passengers, but of innocent bystanders. Several commenters have pointed out problems such as rain, snow, darkness, etc., but there are more fundamental problems. For example, self-driving cars based on machine learning may be susceptible to adversarial attacks that cause the car to behave unpredictably [1,2]. How will self-driving cars k…
The new system is not generally rule-based (although it does have a few rules for some things), it has integrated deep learning. It adapts to novel situations based on patterns learned from experience. The network will be trained by actual Tesla driver actions in these situations over the next months/years.
That's different from the previous auto-pilot version.