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I went to Nigeria to meet a man who scammed me

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Re: I went to Nigeria to meet a man who scammed me

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post #104

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I imagine she has almost certainly not met anyone in person, that's how these scams work.

No, she met someone in person, which made the whole thing a little more scary. They went out to dinner, twice in a single week. From what I can gather, she met someone , but I doubt it was the same guy she's talking to over txt.

I've become acquainted with a few 419ers (Nigerian) during trips to Ghana (not the big boys, who are without fail sleaze bags, but the grunts, some of whom are very nice in person) and have done quite some research on how they and the scams work. When it comes to 419ers, they have a wide network across the world. They can get a guy to pick up cash or meet someone, today if need be. It might not even be a Nigerian, they work with other people as well.

Last time I was there, a couple of guys tried to entice me into joining them. Said I would be very successful, I could act as a UN attaché or whatever. Then they told me about a guy from somewhere in SE Asia, don't remember which country but I guess they have debtor's jail, because he had indebted himself and risked prison. He managed to get out and went to Ghana to try and get his money back. He turned out to start working with them instead, a couple of months later he had a mansion and three luxury cars. There are all kinds of crazy stories.

The thing is, most of the scammers and the victims are similar (not the romance scam but the Nigerian letters). They are after a quick buck and don't care much for morals (that's why the money is always someone else's, since by accepting you are entering a conspiracy with the scammer, and you are hesitant to tell someone about it). They live large and spend a lot of money, mostly on worthless consumer stuff like expensive liquor, cars, watches and so on. So the money goes back to the West (North, really) again.

I tried to convince a guy I have come to know a little to invest instead, to build something in his community. He told me about a scammer meeting his client (that's what they call the victims) in Hamburg. He picked up half a million Euro in cash. Took it to buy trucks and other machinery and sent it to Ghana and set up a profitable leasing service in Tema, the main harbour. Another guy built a small but popular mall.

I doubt most of the con artists have a good idea of what happens to their clients though, or that they think about it much. The workers are young and enthusiastic, and the big boys don't give a damn. Many victims turn mad, happened to a friend's uncle who got hooked way back when they sent faxes.

The trick is simple yet powerful - obviously the letters are made to funnel gullible people, but also greedy people with low morals. This would help the scammer justify it to himself. Another justification is that their countries have already been robbed for centuries. By entering a conspiracy, the client will be hesitant to tell anyone about it. After that, it's just the sunk costs fallacy, or "sending good money after bad". Every time the stakes are higher, but the choice is to keep believing you will get paid or say bye bye to even more money than you're sending, and accept the truth. It might also partly be an exploit of the looser bonds between people, where many of us have individual economy and are reticent to share our financials/earning/spending with others, even close friends and family, and especially if we suspect they might disagree.

Scammers are also quick to exploit current events. Last time I went to visit, one guy showed me a con he was working on which was a romance con. He acted as a British officer stationed in Iraq, who had come across some of all of the lost billions of dollars the US brought there in cash.

There are a lot of 419ers in Ghana, disliked by many but they spend in bars and hotels. They tend to live on credit though (the workers), only (hopefully) paying their bills after a payout. I'm not sure about the central police department, but the local police are definitely bought off. I know them via the innkeeper, a Ghanaian who don't like them much but they give him business. It's a crazy world.

Re: I went to Nigeria to meet a man who scammed me

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post #135

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> is completely unverified, and given that the whole thing was a scam to begin with IMHO certainly does need verification in order to be believed. That would mean he's also scamming the BBC.

That would mean he's also scamming the BBC. The BBC reports tweets as news these days, they are not assigning their top Panorama investigative journalists to fluff pieces like this.

Tweets are news. The facts contained therein may not be. If Donald Trump tweets that climate change is a Chinese hoax, that's news. As long as the headline is "Trump Hoax Claim" and not "Chinese Climate Hoax" I fail to see the problem.

Re: I went to Nigeria to meet a man who scammed me

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> is completely unverified, and given that the whole thing was a scam to begin with IMHO certainly does need verification in order to be believed. That would mean he's also scamming the BBC.

Did they verify it? They only seem to report it. So you downvote me for raising this very valid question? I am asking , I'm not alleging anything. But there is no proof being shown and that's just a fact. I don't know why you bring the BBC in, nothing I read indicates they personally went there. It seems like they only talked to the woman, so what the BBC knows does not go beyond to what she believes. Is asking about…

Reputable news organizations have fact checkers that check these things. I assume BBC is in that category, but admittedly haven't checked that fact.

Re: I went to Nigeria to meet a man who scammed me

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post #118

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She's paying for companionship. It's basically prostitution. If you don't approve, find someone to give her more comfort than her courtesan does.

Well, prostitution is physically sexual. So it's more like someone who gets addicted to camgirls. However those situations are mutually honest transactions. In this case she's being deceived and lacks the strength of character or mental stability to fully realize that or cope with it. I do agree that she's probably starved for affection. Frankly, an escort or camgirl habit could be cheaper.

> I do agree that she's probably starved for affection.

This. And I suspect she's paying for the appearance of being treated seriously and having her emotions treated seriously, which OP clearly fails to deliver by arguing that she's wrong. I don't have many constructive ideas what to do, but don't repeat things that have never worked in the past and pay attention to her needs, not yours, might be a good starting point.

Re: I went to Nigeria to meet a man who scammed me

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My mother in law is currently $150,000+ deep on a Facebook romance scam. I believe she's about to send him another $200k or so when her house is sold. Instead of living out her retirement in relative comfort, she will be scraping by on social security. Adult services can't help, because moonshot-level stupidity is not a mental disorder. She can't live with us, as she can no longer be trusted. She can't live on her ow…

Reading through your comments, I think there's really only two resolutions to this situation. The first is that your mother in law will run out of funds, and die penniless. From what you say, that seems to be where this is heading. However, the only other resolution I can see is that she realizes on her own what is happening. You can lead her to the water, but you can't make her drink it. Realistically, I see that ha…

Easier said than done, but option 3: he could go after the scammer.

Re: I went to Nigeria to meet a man who scammed me

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post #20

Basically if anyone you don't know in real life asks you money this is a huge red flag. Like red flag of all red flags. People should condition themselves that once they reach their pockets for money then something is wrong, stop immediately and reevaluate. I understand that scammers sometimes are very good and you don't need to paranoid towards people, but once real money is involved your guard must go up!

That's easy to say, especially in hindsight, but when it's someone you've messaged for 3 or more months, gets into trouble and then asks it's difficult to be cool headed. You convince yourself that you DO know them, and it's above board. Of course, like in this case, once it goes on long enough the penny does drop, but by then it's too late.

Reality is that many in the world have a disposable income of say $1 per day, so many people in first world countries are "obscenely" rich relatively.

I have been in situations where I have believed a few dollars will help a child, will prevent a rape, or will prevent jail time for an innocent.

Is it better to be a good person, at the risk of being scammed? The same happens with beggars - sometimes there is a genuine need.

I develop my shit filter by helping others, even at the risk of being taken advantage of, because it is worth the wins, and I wouldn't want to be a person that doesn't help genuine need when it only costs the equivalent of a few beers (or more!).

Re: I went to Nigeria to meet a man who scammed me

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post #8

Sounds like the Long Con became the Longer Con.

I really hope you are wrong, but did the journalist check the following sentence or they take the report at face value? > Although they have not met each other again since, she continued to provide him with financial assistance until he completed his degree a few years ago and got a job in the American oil sector.

It's an egregious journalistic fraud if they phrased it that way when what they really meant was "he claims he completed..."

It would be a scandalous.

Re: I went to Nigeria to meet a man who scammed me

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Yeah, it's a lot of money to commit to up-front, but it's oddly specific, few people are gonna agree to it, and they could easily just ask to cut the checks directly to the school.

How is getting someone else to pay for your schooling not a con?

A con is asking someone to pay for one thing and then doing something else with the money.

Re: I went to Nigeria to meet a man who scammed me

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No, she met someone in person, which made the whole thing a little more scary. They went out to dinner, twice in a single week. From what I can gather, she met someone , but I doubt it was the same guy she's talking to over txt.

I've become acquainted with a few 419ers (Nigerian) during trips to Ghana (not the big boys, who are without fail sleaze bags, but the grunts, some of whom are very nice in person) and have done quite some research on how they and the scams work. When it comes to 419ers, they have a wide network across the world. They can get a guy to pick up cash or meet someone, today if need be. It might not even be a Nigerian, th…

Dude, you have GOT to write this up in muuuuuhuch more detail. This is fascinating!! You're a good writer but obviously these few paragraphs are off-the-cuff. Couldn't you make a longer version? I would be careful about your personal association (I mean can you write in a way that isn't linked to you), I hope you can do so anonymously. Very interesting reading! Thanks. Here's a vote for writing more!

Re: I went to Nigeria to meet a man who scammed me

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Motherfucker, thats called a job!

For everyone who hasn't realised this is a Key & Peele sketch, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly33QgeDphw

Reminds me of this Monty Python sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5tSr6xavNc
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