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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by makomk »

woodpanel wrote: post #755
aerovistae wrote: post #617

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I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…

> It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down. As much as I anticipate more cool stuff from Tesla, one could say the same about akin-ness of people to find everything that Tesla does "super innovative" and "revolutionary" while the same features already existed in other cars for quite some time. I actually laughed out loud when I saw the Headline of this submission "Tesla…

Especially since this is trying to put a positive spin on Tesla having to announce that all their newly shipped cars will now come without those features that already existed in other cars for quite some time, and that anyone who purchases a car with them will not actually have those features until they're reimplemented and patched back in.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by pc86 »

MarkMc wrote: post #426
emp_zealoth wrote: post #352

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I feel sad that actual sensible responses on HN are now downvoted mercilessly because they are not aboard the hype train/zeitgeist What irq11 has said is valid and important. You cannot just handwave actual engineering problems with some buzzwords

Perhaps irq11 was downvoted because of his/her belittling tone rather than the substance of his/her argument. It's valid and important to say, "I have experience in this field and sensor quality will always be more important than a suite of regression tests, no matter how large". It's not valid and important to say, "You're just saying that because you like Elon Musk, and read an article about 'big data' once"

Now is your chance to show what other you evidence you have and dispute his snarky fanboy comment.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by Symmetry »

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

It's sort of like startups. 90% of potential world-shaking innovations fail but pretty much everything that changed the world looked risky at one time. It's important to be sensitive to both sides of the coin.

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Post by rasz_pl »

raisedbyninjas wrote: post #117
wmf wrote: post #20

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Looking at what is not said, my interpretation is that previous Teslas will not be software-upgraded to full autonomy because the problem is harder than they previously thought.

Their LIDAR provider pulled out and now they're switching to camera-based CV and ending development of the LIDAR branch. I think they're hoping that this approach matures enough to match the capability of LIDAR in time for them to meet their market goals.

mobileye doesnt use lidar on Teslas, it was always one low resolution camera, barely enough for lane following.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by snewk »

brianwawok wrote: post #569
rsync wrote: post #551

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"It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion)." Even now, several years into the current news/development arc of self-driving cars, I still can't believe this is going to be the future. We're really never going to european (or japanese) style train networks ? We're really going to keep binging on roads ? We, as a nation of fat slobs [1] are re…

Little bit sad right? I want a nation of walking. But this is much more likely to actually happen. A grid of self driving cars powered by renewable energy. I will take it over the current state.

i will take it over he current state because it makes walking, cycling, and bus transit safer. it will be interesting to find out by what magnitude.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by Ph0X »

freehunter wrote: post #663
hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

Yeah but the first-gem iPhone couldn't kill people. A poorly-built car easily can. I like Tesla, just pointing out why people are right to demand they get it at least as good as humans before pushing it to market.

The thing about their plan though, if you read the post entirely, is that this new car with the new sensor comes with almost all features disabled.

The reality is, with machine learning, you need a lot of data, and yes, you can send a few of your own cars with employees inside like Google, but that's slow. Instead, Tesla is using their existing brand and user base to collect orders of magnitude more data, and this way, they will be able to validate their models much faster.

Again, the thing with data and algorithms is that you can test and retest them. When you have all the data, you can see the info at time X, and also have access to the data at time X+1, so you can check if your algorithm made the right choice. Furthermore, you can actually take tricky situations and replay them thousands of time while tweaking your algorithm to do better.

So yes, while getting it right is very important, I believe their approach of collecting as much data as possible is the best way of getting there

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by erikpukinskis »

mtgx wrote: post #745
vkou wrote: post #724

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> It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down. It's probably because there is a substantial gap between what Musk spins, and reality. Take Tesla 3 pre-orders, for instance. Tesla spins 400,000 pre-orders for a car that you might not receive in the next three years as the most amazing innovation in automobile manufacturing. Historically, there have been a few other companie…

> Take Tesla 3 pre-orders, for instance. Tesla spins 400,000 pre-orders for a car that you might not receive in the next three years as the most amazing innovation in automobile manufacturing. Because it kind of is when we're talking about an electric car. Tesla's competitors can't come up with those numbers for EVs combined (even with hybrids). GM is expected to make 30,000 Bolts for next year, for instance (and it…

Level 5 is unachievable and unnecessary. There will always be some small number of locales that confound the system. But if you can't use autonomy a few times per year, who cares?

When we get to level 4 the game is over, it's just an adoption curve at that point.

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Post by bluedino »

EA wrote: post #468

Police departments around the country are going to see a loss of revenue. No more rolling through stop signs, illegal lane changes, or speeding tickets.

Nobody's going to tweak their Tesla to roll through lights or go above the speed limit so they can get to work faster?

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Post by sah2ed »

ddon wrote: post #760
woodpanel wrote: post #755

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> It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down. As much as I anticipate more cool stuff from Tesla, one could say the same about akin-ness of people to find everything that Tesla does "super innovative" and "revolutionary" while the same features already existed in other cars for quite some time. I actually laughed out loud when I saw the Headline of this submission "Tesla…

Could you provide couple links to videos of other cars driving like this and looking for parking without the owner :)

There's a video [1] by Mercedes from 3 years ago but they didn't demo autonomous parking like Tesla.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AihC5flC-38

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Post by majani »

throwawayReply wrote: post #586
rsync wrote: post #551

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"It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion)." Even now, several years into the current news/development arc of self-driving cars, I still can't believe this is going to be the future. We're really never going to european (or japanese) style train networks ? We're really going to keep binging on roads ? We, as a nation of fat slobs [1] are re…

People enjoy space and privacy. And income inequality means that people can literally afford to pay for other people to not be near them as they travel. Busses and trains and other mass transport will return when income inequality is reduced to the point where the amount it costs people to pay for their own space is no longer affordable for them, but if you're earning 500 times the person next to you, you'll happily…

Also cars have an element of freedom to them. Go anywhere, anytime. They also feed off the laziness of most adults.
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