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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by aws_ls »

irq11 wrote: post #722
aws_ls wrote: post #700

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This isn't web development. You don't risk lives with your beta release First: Why do you always need to assume web dev is stupid. Or less impactful. Imagine a bank website showing 10,000 less in your account. I myself paid several customers a penalty/reimbursement, when because of our website, they suffered. And I am sure there are websites/apps which are more critical. Second: You are assuming, they have done a hal…

Well, for starters, the only thing Tesla has "released" here is a video. So there's that. I don't know if they hurried the release of the video. The real product launch is the sensor suite...and those haven't shipped in any quantity, yet. As for AI, there's no magical "algo" that solves the problem of an all-black video frame. Having more black video frames than anyone else doesn't exactly solve that problem. See als…

there's no magical "algo" that solves the problem of an all-black video frame

So do human eyes. I perhaps should have used the word night rather than dark. So basically it should work in the night also is my understanding.

And I'm totally calm, and not angered :-). Just trying to make my point. Because I don't like arguments like - 'this is not rocket science', or 'this is not web development.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by tw04 »

hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

A buggy iPhone results in a frustrated user. A buggy self driving car results in a dead user, and possibly dead innocents. Not the best analogy...

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by drcross »

lhopki01 wrote: post #721
aub3bhat wrote: post #605

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train networks and subways are significantly more expensive to build, operate and maintain, even electrified ones. Roads + autonomous electric cars are hard to beat in terms of efficiency, utility and ease of operation.

Efficiency of what though? Space? Roads take up way more space than tracks. Efficiency of cost? Roads are very expensive. Often more expensive per passenger mile than railroads. Efficiency of energy use? Moving a 2000kg electric car around for 1 person is never going to be efficient. Efficiency of through-put? Roads even with autonomous cars will never have the throughput of a train-line. Also I think you significant…

Now that we have electric and self-driving cars you assumptions of what a car is have the ability to be drastically altered.

>Space? Roads take up way more space than tracks.

Highways can now be minimised to two tracks, the standard width of a vehicle, vibration reports can tell the councils where pothole repair is most needed.

>Moving a 2000kg electric car around for 1 person is never going to be efficient.

Car's are 2000kg in part to protect the driver, as crashes trend to 0 there's no reason they need to be so big.

>Roads even with autonomous cars will never have the throughput of a train-line.

Trains are rarely full. Cars can get smaller, we can mitigate traffic jams.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by mattlondon »

grondilu wrote: post #736

I think the most impressive part is the end, when the car looks for a parking spot.

Also, I thought the self-closing door was a nice touch.

Interesting really - I guess it has a nice "chauffeur" feel if you can get into the car without closing the door (I wonder how it knows you are there? Or that everyone who is about to get out has got out?) and/or just roaming off.

Personally I'd be worried about someone slipping into the car before it had closed the door and stealing anything in the car.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by woodpanel »

aerovistae wrote: post #617
hipshaker wrote: post #570

Isn't this hackernews?? So many "but what if this and that and this..." & "and yeah let's see if it can handle X & Y" This is the iPhone 1 of self-driving cars! That's akin to saying Apple should have waited to release their phone until iPhone 7 "because of this & that & this..." Don't we have to start somewhere ?? Aren't there supposed to be a big user base here who understands that it's an evolutionary process - we…

I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…

> It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down.

As much as I anticipate more cool stuff from Tesla, one could say the same about akin-ness of people to find everything that Tesla does "super innovative" and "revolutionary" while the same features already existed in other cars for quite some time.

I actually laughed out loud when I saw the Headline of this submission "Tesla released a video of a car driving itself" being the number one entry on HN - sorry but this speaks volumes about the "neutrality" of HN regarding Tesla.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by mturmon »

fortybillion wrote: post #642
devy wrote: post #627

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> also, did it turn into the wrong lane at 2:25-2:30? is this a security risk? Yes, totally a crash collision risk! I've witnessed this happened once in a Costco parking lot. Car A made a right turn onto the left lane of the crossing road and the oncoming car B didn't pay attention at the moment and bumped into it head on.

This is legal in California.

I'm not sure we're talking about the same situation.

But: in a standard right turn at a 4-way intersection in California, where neither street is one-way, when turning right, you must turn into the rightmost lane of the cross street. In particular (barring special things like dual right-turn lanes), you can't swing wide into the second lane of the cross street. By "second lane," I don't mean the lane for opposing traffic (obviously you can't go into that lane) -- I mean the left lane of the two that are going in the direction you are turning.

If you are making a left turn, you can go into either the left lane or the right lane of the cross street.

See item 2 (compare item 1) in the section "Examples Of Right and Left Turns" in the CA driver handbook (https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/detail/pubs/hdbk/turns).

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by bluehawk »

mikeash wrote: post #526
ajmurmann wrote: post #510

About self driving cars in general: I am very concerned that self driving cars and speed limits are going to be a very annoying issue. I can see them drive way slow in semi-complicated situations annoying all other drivers. There are also many places in the county where it's normal and seemingly expected to go 5-10mp/h over the speed limit. Of course self driving cars will stay under the posted speed limit. I hope th…

Once autonomous cars are ubiquitous, it should be possible to increase speed limits substantially above where they are now, since the autonomous cars will have instantaneous reaction times.

Instantaneous response times doesn't stop the laws of physics. It still takes longer to stop the faster you are going.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by noveltyaccount »

majani wrote: post #742
noveltyaccount wrote: post #633

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I think the future is self-driving public transit. I imagine minivans that perform dynamic route optimization. Instead of a bus that stops every block on a pre-determined route, use an app to input your pickup location and destination and the self-driving van picks you and a few people up from a small radius, and drops people off in a small radius. This will be faster and cheaper than both public transit and even dri…

Unfortunately, public transit is way less profitable than selling cars to people, so self driving public transit doesn't seem like the top priority, despite having the best net benefit for society

Good point. I have always imagined this to be government subsidized just like public transit is today. I live in Seattle where we're spending billions laying light rail, and I have to wonder if it's all for naught, if self-driving public transit will make rail obsolete.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by snrplfth »

vkou wrote: post #724
aerovistae wrote: post #617

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…

> It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down. It's probably because there is a substantial gap between what Musk spins, and reality. Take Tesla 3 pre-orders, for instance. Tesla spins 400,000 pre-orders for a car that you might not receive in the next three years as the most amazing innovation in automobile manufacturing. Historically, there have been a few other companie…

> Historically, there have been a few other companies that had hundreds of thousands of pre-orders, where you would end up waiting years for your car to be built and delivered to you. Their names were Lada, Volga, etc. Soviet auto companies had the exact same problem Tesla has - inability to meet demand.

Because genuine competition in the Soviet Union was not allowed. Don't want to wait for Mr. Musk's Magical Mystery Car? Then buy a damn Honda Civic or something. A huge pre-order list is notable when it occurs in a context where people have many other options not involving a long wait. It proves the existence of real demand, not "demand-because-of-a-lack-of-alternatives". Proving this demand is important for a small company which is trying to scale up.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by ddon »

woodpanel wrote: post #755
aerovistae wrote: post #617

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I laughed out loud when I googled "tsla" after watching the video and the top headline in the news section of the google results was "Analyst doubts the new move by Tesla Motors." Clicking on the article for humor's value, I continued to read: > However, Edmunds.com, Inc. analyst Jessica Caldwell questions the value of purchasing a self-driving car before regulations catch up. Caldwell said that, meanwhile, competito…

> It's just hilarious the contortions of logic people will go to in order to put Musk down. As much as I anticipate more cool stuff from Tesla, one could say the same about akin-ness of people to find everything that Tesla does "super innovative" and "revolutionary" while the same features already existed in other cars for quite some time. I actually laughed out loud when I saw the Headline of this submission "Tesla…

Could you provide couple links to videos of other cars driving like this and looking for parking without the owner :)
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