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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by drzaiusapelord » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:52 PM UTC

S_A_P wrote: post #537

So what do these cars do when the hit a puddle of mud and it covers all the cameras. Will there be a new form of vandalism where someone puts scotch tape over/destroys the vehicles cameras and now your fancy autonomous vehicle is rendered incapacitated. Maybe this seems unlikely or ridiculous, but the dependence on cameras at points on the car that seem likely to get dirty and or damaged seems to be a risk to me.

Or whats the maintenance schedule for these things? Suddenly we have tons of complexity to worry about. How will this affect the used market where repairs are usually DIY? Is the used market for autonomous cars pretty much dead because 3rd party mechanics will have no idea how to service these things? I imagine so. What does that do to resale value?

I've read about how hard it is to sell an aging Prius because the battery pack has to be replaced. Its apparently not easy to do and the part is very expensive. For used car buyers you're better off buying a gas civic if you want an efficient older car. ICE doesn't age like electric.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by randomdata » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:52 PM UTC

scraft wrote: post #475

Interesting for two reasons: 1. It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion). 2. Despite knowing about and following news about driverless cars for a while, there was something surprisingly (to me) compelling about watching the video. It's like you get a little taste of the full A to B that it can give you (door to door). Who wants to speculat…

> Who wants to speculate how long it will be until self-driving cars are common place in the UK?

I think we can apply the Pareto principle here. The car seems to work surprisingly well in ideal conditions, but probably doesn't in less than ideal ones (let's see it operating in a snow storm!). So, let's say that 80% of the work is done, leaving 20% to fix all the little edge cases that are bound to pop in the real world.

According to Wikipedia, the first truly autonomous cars started to appear in the 1980s. Let us round that off to 30 years of development. According to the principle, that means 30 years represents 20% of the time.

Thus, 120 more years before they become available. If the ownership model persists, I'd add another 5 years to let people replace their existing vehicles to reach common status. If the shared fleet model takes hold, as many suggest it will, then that number may be reduced somewhat.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by V-2 » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:53 PM UTC

EA wrote: post #468

Police departments around the country are going to see a loss of revenue. No more rolling through stop signs, illegal lane changes, or speeding tickets.

On the other hand, self-driving cars will be eager to tell many other interesting stories about their drivers.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:53 PM UTC

esquevin wrote: post #565

S_A_P wrote: post #537

So what do these cars do when the hit a puddle of mud and it covers all the cameras. Will there be a new form of vandalism where someone puts scotch tape over/destroys the vehicles cameras and now your fancy autonomous vehicle is rendered incapacitated. Maybe this seems unlikely or ridiculous, but the dependence on cameras at points on the car that seem likely to get dirty and or damaged seems to be a risk to me.

What'd you do if you drove over mud and it covered your windshield ?

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by ahunt09 » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:53 PM UTC

The video was too edited for me to have confidence. There was a moment at about 2:05 where I was interested to see how it handled the termination and merging of the lane -- but then we cut away before that happened. Or at 1:30 when there's no big sign post in the median, and then switching to left-rear camera, there we pass one. It's a nice narrative on the future, but it's far from proof of comprehensive functionality.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by dyarosla » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:53 PM UTC

georgespencer wrote: post #543

jgrahamc wrote: post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to see a self-driving car navigate London's narrow streets with cars both sides and the negotiation that goes on between drivers about who goes first. I'm impressed with this self-driving on California's spacious streets in perfect weather. I'll be really impressed when I see a self-driving car go down a London street in pouring rain, realize it needs to allow someone to come from the other direction and rev…

These are problems which are actually improved as more cars move to autonomous driving. A sensible government would mandate that manufacturers must upload anonymised data about each car in real time, which would effectively allow for cross-talk between cars. This could enable automatic remedies to the above situations (car X tells car Y "I've got more room behind me, let me reverse), but also prevent them in the firs…

I see this pro cross-talk argument all the time... but wouldn't that leave open a big vulnerability for bad actors to send false data between cars and, if they should choose to, control multiple vehicles and cause collisions?

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by tonylemesmer » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:53 PM UTC

gtrubetskoy wrote: post #498

scraft wrote: post #475

Interesting for two reasons: 1. It is a self driving car, it is so clearly the future, I wish it existed now, it is going to be awesome (in my opinion). 2. Despite knowing about and following news about driverless cars for a while, there was something surprisingly (to me) compelling about watching the video. It's like you get a little taste of the full A to B that it can give you (door to door). Who wants to speculat…

> Who wants to speculate how long it will be until self-driving cars are common place in the UK? And it should be able to automatically detect that it's in the UK and drive on the left side of the road... I'm curious - can you even get a Tesla in the UK (or Japan or Australia, etc), and do they make a right-side driver model?

yes, they are rather common :)

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by Scarblac » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:53 PM UTC

laktak wrote: post #483

How to steal some cars: - hack into a car remotely - tell the car to drive to your parking lot - repeat

If you can do

  - hack into a car remotely

Maybe it's better to

  - have it drive you to your destination
  - let it go back to its own parking lot

So people won't notice.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by grecy » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:54 PM UTC

S_A_P wrote: post #537

So what do these cars do when the hit a puddle of mud and it covers all the cameras. Will there be a new form of vandalism where someone puts scotch tape over/destroys the vehicles cameras and now your fancy autonomous vehicle is rendered incapacitated. Maybe this seems unlikely or ridiculous, but the dependence on cameras at points on the car that seem likely to get dirty and or damaged seems to be a risk to me.

The sensors are heated to help remove ice/snow, and there is a warning to the driver if the sensors get obscured and need to be cleaned.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by brianwawok » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 2:54 PM UTC

esquevin wrote: post #565

S_A_P wrote: post #537

So what do these cars do when the hit a puddle of mud and it covers all the cameras. Will there be a new form of vandalism where someone puts scotch tape over/destroys the vehicles cameras and now your fancy autonomous vehicle is rendered incapacitated. Maybe this seems unlikely or ridiculous, but the dependence on cameras at points on the car that seem likely to get dirty and or damaged seems to be a risk to me.

What'd you do if you drove over mud and it covered your windshield ?

This I would guess: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxDEqkAWbPE&t=40