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Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by emodendroket » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 12:52 PM UTC

reustle wrote: post #97

hash-set wrote: post #52

Here's the deal: Employers will exploit your age no matter how old you are. There is no "perfect age" for a developer. When you're young, they exploit you because you are inexperienced (especially at negotiation). When you are "old" they exploit by trying to play the age card. "Not a cultural fit"--LOL--fix your stupid culture and stop exploiting people, you smug fools! So what is there? A ten year "ripe" age range w…

> "Not a cultural fit"--LOL--fix your stupid culture and stop exploiting people, you smug fools! If you're hiring someone 15+ years older than the rest of your team, there are going to be some cultural differences.

I agree -- nothing produces smart organizational thinking like hiring nothing but inexperienced people with exactly the same backgrounds and biases.

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by emodendroket » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 12:54 PM UTC

Annatar wrote: post #143

gridspy wrote: post #133

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That isn't the problem. The problem is that the young guys THINK that the old guy will do this.

Sorry, I'm not clear on what you mean: they think that the old guy will write the specification and architect everything, or they think he will hack stuff together with them?

I think the implication is they think he'll be a slow-moving dinosaur before they even talk to him.

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by gspetr » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 12:58 PM UTC

brightball wrote: post #179

Quarrelsome wrote: post #170

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What the hell is wrong with posting a wide salary range and stating you are looking at all sorts of people then? We're trying to prevent people wasting their time chatting to people when the remuneration will never be sufficient.

Because the second you post a wide salary range, people assume they are going to land on the mid-upper end of it no matter what the range is. If somebody lands on the lower end of it, they are going to feel slighted or insulted for just about all cases aside from new grads. If I post a salary range of $50,000-$150,000 most people are going to look at it and decide that it probably pays $100,000-120,000. If somebody a…

If you post something that wide we're either looking at a sales position or at a company that does not differentiate between a Jr. and a Sr. Developer and lumps them all into Developer.

In itself it might be enough of a red flag not to work there.

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by nommm-nommm » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 1:07 PM UTC

reustle wrote: post #97

hash-set wrote: post #52

Here's the deal: Employers will exploit your age no matter how old you are. There is no "perfect age" for a developer. When you're young, they exploit you because you are inexperienced (especially at negotiation). When you are "old" they exploit by trying to play the age card. "Not a cultural fit"--LOL--fix your stupid culture and stop exploiting people, you smug fools! So what is there? A ten year "ripe" age range w…

> "Not a cultural fit"--LOL--fix your stupid culture and stop exploiting people, you smug fools! If you're hiring someone 15+ years older than the rest of your team, there are going to be some cultural differences.

What sort of "culture" do you need in your workplace other than "get along with your co-workers, be respectful, and get your work done?" You are interviewing colleagues not drinking buddies.

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by ptero » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 1:14 PM UTC

inanutshellus wrote: post #190

ptero wrote: post #164

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Just my 2c -- I'm in the US and I disagree. For example, many of the jobs allow for a very broad experience. For example, in my current job, we are often looking for a smart, energetic people to work on X. Someone with a BS just out of college? An engineer with 10 years of matching experience? Tech lead wo just built X elsewhere? We will take either (if we like them) and adjust responsibilities instead. This approach…

> Someone with a BS just out of college? > An engineer with 10 years of matching experience? > Tech lead wo [sic] just built X elsewhere? Sounds like you have three job postings crammed into one listing. Y'all on that tight of a budget?

Some of the reasons below are somewhat artificial constraints, but that's just our environment. I suspect they are not that infrequent either.

We cannot post three postings with intent to hire one person: Our group works on X. There is a group working on Y across the hall (and a bunch of others) and if we advertise three postings they will go to top management and HR and argue that one of our postings should be theirs.

Competition between groups on lab space, office space and good employees is friendly but extremely tough. Hiring someone who is a good fit and will likely work in our group for at least a few years is a huge benefit. Thus we would rather spend extra time trying to find a person who is smart, likes what we do and is genuinely interested in working on X, at whatever experience level, and snag him. This makes us open the "skills" window pretty wide.

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by soared » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 1:21 PM UTC

j_s wrote: post #167

soared wrote: post #14

I thought I was on medium.com.. You need to add a call to action to the end of your post! Add a short line - "if you've experienced ageism checkout these job listsing at /link" or "to see what I built visit /link" or something similar. Lots of lazy people want to click a link at the end of your post to see your site rather than trying to find a link in your profile or scrolling all the way to the top. Plus when someo…

http://devmarketing.xyz/ by https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=mijustin

thanks for linking this. That makes me want to do it more actually.. Sites like that guys make me feel uncomfortable.

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by adhdlimited » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 1:22 PM UTC

dylanfw wrote: post #173

messel wrote: post #144

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Hah! This is great. "Wait all descriptors containing the letters 'ad' are ignored?" "Madness." "This is HTML!"

> "M ad ness." Blocked by ad blocker.

Haha..just my pint its freaking html

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by askura » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 1:37 PM UTC

b212 wrote: post #135

Can you do another good deed and require your posters to include salary range in their job ads? It's the norm in the UK and we successfully forced this in Poland (though posters almost NEVER post salaries here). How? The companies need IT staff so much that almost all IT job boards (at least the most popular ones - like FB groups or https://nofluffjobs.com ) started requiring the salary range. I think your idea is pr…

Hear hear.

I agree completely and I think this is solid advice for OP.

Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 1:38 PM UTC

awesomerobot wrote: post #176

Quarrelsome wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the hell is wrong with posting a wide salary range and stating you are looking at all sorts of people then? We're trying to prevent people wasting their time chatting to people when the remuneration will never be sufficient.

Honest question: Is a salary range of $50 - $100k really valuable to you as a job seeker?

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Re: Thank HN: From Google form to $1k in revenue in one month

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Post by krisdol » Thu, Oct 20, 2016, 1:39 PM UTC

awesomerobot wrote: post #176

Quarrelsome wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What the hell is wrong with posting a wide salary range and stating you are looking at all sorts of people then? We're trying to prevent people wasting their time chatting to people when the remuneration will never be sufficient.

Honest question: Is a salary range of $50 - $100k really valuable to you as a job seeker?

Yeah, because then I know to ignore the listing.

If I came from a place that paid $50k, I'd expect them to be able to give me a small bump but likely land me in the low-to-mid part of the range and I'd apply. If I came from 75k I'd expect higher end of the range, and I'd apply. That could be unreasonable depending on how they place different tiers of engineer on that range, but if it is then it's better to split out the jobs by title (Software Eng Jr./Sr/Staff/Principal). If I came from over 100k I'll pass because I don't think they can afford me regardless of title.