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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by weavie »

sergiosgc wrote: post #329
karyon wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me play the devil's advocate here as well :) What exactly is the problem with punishing people for risky driving? Or rather, let them pay a corresponding premium to cover for the (statistically expected) higher damages they will cause? Keep in mind that driving behaviour is something the user has full control of, in contrast to e.g. disabilities, for which of course no insurance premium should be paid. I actually…

The problem is that statistics isn't that accurate a branch of math. For example, drivers who drive faster are statistically more accident prone. I'd wager, though, that Lewis Hamilton driving faster is less accident prone than me driving slower, something that'll never show up in any statistics based result set. Statistics are obviously useful, but they are a big gun that sometimes points towards feet.

I'd wager that Lewis Hamilton driving at speed would exhibit very different driving behaviour than I would.

With enough data we wouldn't need to just rely on measuring speed. Reaction times, steering behaviour and lots of other driving terms I am not familiar with can all come into play. Cross reference this with actual accidents and you could come up with a fairly accurate model of what makes a safe driver.

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Post by mountaineer22 »

orwell101 wrote: post #365
karyon wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me play the devil's advocate here as well :) What exactly is the problem with punishing people for risky driving? Or rather, let them pay a corresponding premium to cover for the (statistically expected) higher damages they will cause? Keep in mind that driving behaviour is something the user has full control of, in contrast to e.g. disabilities, for which of course no insurance premium should be paid. I actually…

Why don't we film everyone at home to determine if they engage in risky behavior like climbing roofs or using chain saws? We could determine their liability insurance premium more accurately! Why don't we film everyone in bed to determine if they use condoms? We could determine their health insurance premiums more accurately!

We just use their credit score instead!

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by castratikron »

thesimon wrote: post #70

If you go to the order page of the Model S, it says for the "Full Self-Driving Hardware": >Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year. Interesting decision.

It's the same rationale that companies like Microsoft use when they say a certain version of Word is for "Home Use Only".

I think I'll wait 15 years until a GPL autopilot comes out. AutGNUpilot?

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Post by golergka »

orwell101 wrote: post #365
karyon wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me play the devil's advocate here as well :) What exactly is the problem with punishing people for risky driving? Or rather, let them pay a corresponding premium to cover for the (statistically expected) higher damages they will cause? Keep in mind that driving behaviour is something the user has full control of, in contrast to e.g. disabilities, for which of course no insurance premium should be paid. I actually…

Why don't we film everyone at home to determine if they engage in risky behavior like climbing roofs or using chain saws? We could determine their liability insurance premium more accurately! Why don't we film everyone in bed to determine if they use condoms? We could determine their health insurance premiums more accurately!

Sounds like a good idea to me.

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Post by mountaineer22 »

emdowling wrote: post #327
karyon wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me play the devil's advocate here as well :) What exactly is the problem with punishing people for risky driving? Or rather, let them pay a corresponding premium to cover for the (statistically expected) higher damages they will cause? Keep in mind that driving behaviour is something the user has full control of, in contrast to e.g. disabilities, for which of course no insurance premium should be paid. I actually…

I 100% agree that more dangerous drivers should pay a higher premium, but there needs to be a fair, equal, transparent way to determine what dangerous is. Between law enforcement agencies, speed cameras and red light cameras, we have established well-tested legal frameworks which determine whether a driver is dangerous or not. We we don't have are any legal or moral frameworks for passive, always-on methods of observ…

"...and red light cameras, we have established well-tested legal frameworks which determine whether a driver is dangerous or not."

https://www.motorists.org/issues/red-light-cameras/increase-...

I believe we have established red light cameras are the cause of danger in a large number of circumstances, with yellow light time being reduced to increase government revenue.

Not to mention the lack of due process.

I don't think the government should rely on private companies algorithms to determine danger or guilt.

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Post by lovemenot »

brianwawok wrote: post #101
dyarosla wrote: post #97

From the car purchase page, it seems that they are charging an additional $13,200 (combining the addons Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self Driving capability at $7,900 and $5,300 respectively) for the full experience: https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/models/design

Software switch fee. You get the same hardware, different feature flag. Crazy right?

Since the time of IBM mainframes this business model had been known as the Golden Screwdriver.

Http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Golden%20Screwdriver

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Post by JustSomeNobody »

nitrogen wrote: post #300
rtkwe wrote: post #223

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Really a lot of weather patterns are analogous; for vision heavy rain isn't terribly different from a blizzard, etc. With a large enough span across the US you can get pretty much all weather conditions inside a 6 month window from mid summer to mid winter.

...for vision heavy rain isn't terribly different from a blizzard... I would say that heavy rain is incredibly different from a blizzard. Snow has a much greater horizontal-to-vertical velocity, reflects more light, and flutters around. Rain mostly moves in straight lines, even in high wind. Not to mention traction is completely different on water vs. slush vs. snow vs. ice, as well as with good snow/rain tires vs. w…

I hope they know that when there's a south eastern style afternoon thunderstorm that dumps several inches of rain in 20 minutes that it is best to just pull over and wait.

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Post by petra »

di4na wrote: post #317
Thimothy wrote: post #276

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Why aren't other manufacturers following this model? I've seen 12-year Mercedes with internet connection, so the infrastructure has been there for a while.

Disclaimer : i work on one of these car manufacturers IT departement, in close link with the "connected car" team. The reasons are multiple. 1) building and upgrading a car model take them at least 2 years... in the meantime, they have time to clock the kilometers anyway. 2) They have no idea how to build that type of data "massive" environment. They just don't know. Like all our "connected car" data came onto one si…

Do you see similar behavior from the big guys like GM who seem committed to self-driving , investing tons in buying startups ,etc ?

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Post by pkolaczk »

tehmaco wrote: post #404
MarkMc wrote: post #261

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Actually Tesla has access to two sources of large-volume real-world data: 1. When the driver has full control of the vehicle 2. When the 'autopilot' is engaged and the driver is ready to intervene if necessary So if the AI passes the safety test on Type 1 data, Tesla can promote it to being tested on Type 2. And if it passes that safety test it can be promoted to full autonomous control. The 'autopilot' mode effectiv…

There's a third type as well - 'Shadow Mode' where the software is running constantly but the driver is in full control. So if there's an accident, Tesla can check to see if the autopilot would/could have avoided it. If they can turn round to lawmakers and say that "X% of accidents could be avoided if hands-off autopilot was legal" it should help speed up the regulatory side of things.

But this way they can't tell how many accidents the hands-off autopilot could have caused. Number of accidents avoided alone is not enough to say this technology would decrease the number of accidents.
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