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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by xiphias »

Animats wrote: post #99

More cameras. Better sonars (very short range). Better radar processing, but apparently the same old single radar at bumper height. Still no windshield-height radar. No radar scanning in elevation. No LIDAR. That's a better, but still weak sensor suite. It's probably enough for freeway driving under good conditions. It's far below Google's sensor suite. Or Volvo's. Now they just have to write software smart enough to…

Google's technology was already working years ago without machine learning. If you look at the object recognition/detection benchmarks, they are already human level, so cameras should be enough (with a good enough GPU). 5 years ago deep learning wasn't working. Algorithms are getting better faster than hardware getting cheaper.

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Post by rplnt »

stmfreak wrote: post #272
Animats wrote: post #99

More cameras. Better sonars (very short range). Better radar processing, but apparently the same old single radar at bumper height. Still no windshield-height radar. No radar scanning in elevation. No LIDAR. That's a better, but still weak sensor suite. It's probably enough for freeway driving under good conditions. It's far below Google's sensor suite. Or Volvo's. Now they just have to write software smart enough to…

Humans manage with only two cameras.

On top of what others have said, we manage very poorly.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by anchpop »

taneq wrote: post #77
amluto wrote: post #48

> To make sense of all of this data, a new onboard computer with more than 40 times the computing power of the previous generation runs the new Tesla-developed neural net for vision, sonar and radar processing software. 40 times the performance of a Tegra 3 is not particularly impressive. Also, I sincerely hope that this new faster computer doesn't also run a web browser.

A separation between the running gear of the car, and its entertainment center / user interface, is absolutely vital if we don't want to see an endless stream of "hackers offed Public Figure X by driving their car into a bridge" in the news. It boggles me that anyone even considers running things like antilock brakes, car security, and especially self-driving capability from an internet-connected device, no matter ho…

It needs to be connected to the Internet at some point to download updates. What could happen is having a second computer that all the controls are routed through, and that one does some sanity checks before executing the self driver's actions

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by tehmaco »

MarkMc wrote: post #261
danmaz74 wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big difference is that Google's car are actually self-driving themselves. Tesla's cars will collect a lot of data, but about human driving. The actual automated driving software will have to be tested separately.

Actually Tesla has access to two sources of large-volume real-world data: 1. When the driver has full control of the vehicle 2. When the 'autopilot' is engaged and the driver is ready to intervene if necessary So if the AI passes the safety test on Type 1 data, Tesla can promote it to being tested on Type 2. And if it passes that safety test it can be promoted to full autonomous control. The 'autopilot' mode effectiv…

There's a third type as well - 'Shadow Mode' where the software is running constantly but the driver is in full control.

So if there's an accident, Tesla can check to see if the autopilot would/could have avoided it. If they can turn round to lawmakers and say that "X% of accidents could be avoided if hands-off autopilot was legal" it should help speed up the regulatory side of things.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by xiphias »

jayjay71 wrote: post #149
maratd wrote: post #146

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> That's a better, but still weak sensor suite. All you have is two overlapping cameras with poor resolution and they let you behind the wheel, right? This is a software and processing hardware problem only . Human beings drive OK for the most part and we don't have lidar/radar/sonar/etc. With 8 cameras providing 360 vision and an advanced NVIDIA hardware suite, this problem is entirely solvable and this is a very re…

In theory, sure. But you're effectively saying computers have to process vision as well as humans, which some experts think is comparable to solving AI. I'm not saying Tesla won't make a lot of progress, but considering how many decades of research has gone into this very problem (I worked on it at Carnegie Mellon as a graduate student, and they've been doing it since the 80's) it will likely take longer than most pe…

Researchers already passed human level image classification performance in 2015.

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1502.01852.pdf

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by ZanyProgrammer »

doikor wrote: post #367
teebot wrote: post #366

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I don't know if any amount of data collection and model refinement will allow self driving in ALL situations. We always see self driving demos in California on very large roads, I'd like to see one in a small crowded street of Napoli or on a crossroad in Ho-Chi Minh.

It will be a long time before Teslas can drive on dirt roads or roads covered in snow. But most daily driving happens on pavement either on the highway or in the city. Both of which it already handles quite well and will just get better.

Most daily driving happens where software engineers in the Bay Area live, you mean.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by anchpop »

tompic823 wrote: post #24
modeless wrote: post #6

So self-driving will be a standard feature of Model 3, not an option? Pretty cool if they can make it work. I'm skeptical that the computer (NVIDIA Drive PX 2 perhaps?) will have enough power to do it all without LIDAR.

Self-driving hardware will be standard on Model 3, but you'll likely still have to pay a premium for the software to activate it. This is akin to Tesla including the 75 kWh battery on the 60 kWh Model S, and then charging you extra to "activate" the battery's full capacity.

It's a classic business strategy. It allows them to sell a car for cheaper to people who can't afford to pay a little extra.

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Post by puranjay »

orwell101 wrote: post #365
karyon wrote: post #307

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Let me play the devil's advocate here as well :) What exactly is the problem with punishing people for risky driving? Or rather, let them pay a corresponding premium to cover for the (statistically expected) higher damages they will cause? Keep in mind that driving behaviour is something the user has full control of, in contrast to e.g. disabilities, for which of course no insurance premium should be paid. I actually…

Why don't we film everyone at home to determine if they engage in risky behavior like climbing roofs or using chain saws? We could determine their liability insurance premium more accurately! Why don't we film everyone in bed to determine if they use condoms? We could determine their health insurance premiums more accurately!

The difference is that swinging a chainsaw in your bedroom isn't going to kill some stranger.

Driving like a moron in a 2T vehicle is.

Risky driving isn't a private problem. It's a public problem.

And the government already monitors your on road behavior and punishes you for engaging in risk. Speed cameras and traffic cops exist, in case you didn't know

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by JulianMorrison »

ilaksh wrote: post #298
phreeza wrote: post #278

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What about the solid state LIDAR mentioned by the GP?

Needs to be mounted high up and then the car doesn't look cool anymore.

Making the necessary gubbins look cool is a job for the company's designers.

Spinny LIDAR on top is never gonna look cool unless your aesthetic is "Ghostbusters", but it's also already looking technologically obsolete.

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