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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by gnipgnip »

gnipgnip wrote: post #364
Animats wrote: post #99

More cameras. Better sonars (very short range). Better radar processing, but apparently the same old single radar at bumper height. Still no windshield-height radar. No radar scanning in elevation. No LIDAR. That's a better, but still weak sensor suite. It's probably enough for freeway driving under good conditions. It's far below Google's sensor suite. Or Volvo's. Now they just have to write software smart enough to…

Could you share with us what the state of art in SLAM is ? Last I looked, the backend is essentially the same old Kalman-smoother, but the frontend is generally used with hand-tuned features (stuff from the 90s - 00s). Big Data, incl. all the rapid advance in object-recognition CNNs can't really seem to do much in this case; unless there are radical new techniques that I'm not aware of.

Here's a very useful blog that deals exactly with this topic, http://www.computervisionblog.com/2016/01/why-slam-matters-f...

I'd advise others on this thread, who tend to dismiss the difficulty of vision, to realize that techniques in ML and Deep-learning are very problem specific and not the holy grail of AGI they're made out to be.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by svantana »

davedx wrote: post #347
svantana wrote: post #337

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The only problem is, Tesla's sensor suite is too weak to ever get to full autonomy. So once they upgrade the sensors, what good is the data from the old sensors? Perhaps it's possible to extrapolate the data somehow, to have a database of "situations" rather than actual sensor data?

What do you make of this, then? https://www.tesla.com/nl_NL/videos/full-self-driving-hardwar...

That I would call: driving autonomously with a human driver ready to take over if something unexpected were to happen. I believe that to get to superhuman performance (which is probably what will be needed to make it legal) you will need 360 degree ranging (i.e. LIDAR). Also, it is inevitable that these sensors will become so cheap that it's a no-brainer to include them.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by redwood »

teebot wrote: post #366
flexie wrote: post #301

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"Data collection that would take years can happen in weeks" I think that we are talking days, not weeks, or probably that Teslas can have multiple teams testing various hardware and algorithms at the same time: Tesla plans on producing 500k cars per year from 2018. If all of them have this equipment, and they drive a conservative 10k miles per year in average, Tesla will gather data from 5 billion miles driven after…

I don't know if any amount of data collection and model refinement will allow self driving in ALL situations. We always see self driving demos in California on very large roads, I'd like to see one in a small crowded street of Napoli or on a crossroad in Ho-Chi Minh.

While I agree for roads with no other cars around, I think there are shortcuts that can be taken on roads where there are indeed other cars. If you think about what humans do an unknown conditions or abnormal conditions, they basically follow the car in front of them. Self-driving cars could follow the same paradigm

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by Matthias247 »

grecy wrote: post #357
rasz_pl wrote: post #182

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Its not marketing decision, MobilEye dropped them, this is Teslas emergency plan.

> MobilEye dropped them Do you know if MobileEye dropped them, or they chose to go with something else? How do you know?

There were lots of articles and press releases around that on the web and linked here, just search for MobilEye and Tesla.

E.g. the one here: http://arstechnica.com/cars/2016/09/tesla-dropped-by-mobiley...

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by Vik1ng »

PacketPaul wrote: post #69
CamperBob2 wrote: post #30

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I think it's great that they're taking the big risks needed to move the industry forward, and not letting the lawyers run the company. But some of the risks they're taking are just completely stupid and unnecessary, such as calling their assisted cruise control "Autopilot." That's like waving the proverbial cape at the proverbial bull.

Pilot here. Airplanes have autopilot. While on autopilot you are still expected to be monitoring the flight and take control at a moments notice. Autopilot does not allow the pilot to take a nap or go in the back and party with the flight attendants. Autopilot is the correct term. I'm tired of always having to cater to the lowest common denominator.

How often does another plane pass you by a few feet and you have a split second to react?

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by Vik1ng »

jsherwani wrote: post #349

The video is incredible: https://www.tesla.com/videos/full-self-driving-hardware-all-...

Mercedes has similar videos. It's really not that difficult to get something like that. The real challenge is to get all the edge cases right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeifFwLDVBU

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by forgetsusername »

flexie wrote: post #301
luma wrote: post #91

I think what people are missing here is an understanding of how these systems are tested and deployed at scale. While I have no involvement with Tesla I do have first-hand knowledge of similar programs at tier 1 automotive suppliers. The suppliers provide (or are looking to provide) an electronics suite to car manufacturers. The car manufacturers want the system to be safe lest they be sued out of existence. One part…

"Data collection that would take years can happen in weeks" I think that we are talking days, not weeks, or probably that Teslas can have multiple teams testing various hardware and algorithms at the same time: Tesla plans on producing 500k cars per year from 2018. If all of them have this equipment, and they drive a conservative 10k miles per year in average, Tesla will gather data from 5 billion miles driven after…

>For comparison, Google's self driving cars have driven less than 2 million miles until now and unless they team up with a car manufacturer or launch their own car, their project is soon irrelevant.

Except the Google car is in the wild, collecting miles every day (as are the Uber vehicles), while Tesla's miles using this technology are all theoretical.

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Post by teddyh »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #229
hash-set wrote: post #188

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I don't really buy into the software licensing bs--it was forced on us without any choices. It is the worst kind of legal bs there is. "You paid for this but you have no rights to it." Uh, yeah, keep thinking that.

You don't have to buy into a law for it to exist and be enforced. And if you're in the tech industry, that "legal bs" is what allows you to have an income.

> And if you're in the tech industry, that "legal bs" is what allows you to have an income.

So what you’re saying is that just because his salary depends upon his not understanding the arguments for this to be “legal bs”, he therefore should voluntarily choose to abstain from understanding them? Upton Sinclair would turn in his grave.

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Post by HiroshiSan »

redwood wrote: post #383
teebot wrote: post #366

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I don't know if any amount of data collection and model refinement will allow self driving in ALL situations. We always see self driving demos in California on very large roads, I'd like to see one in a small crowded street of Napoli or on a crossroad in Ho-Chi Minh.

While I agree for roads with no other cars around, I think there are shortcuts that can be taken on roads where there are indeed other cars. If you think about what humans do an unknown conditions or abnormal conditions, they basically follow the car in front of them. Self-driving cars could follow the same paradigm

What happens when the car in front goes off a cliff on a twisty mountain road?

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Post by aedron »

ilaksh wrote: post #298
phreeza wrote: post #278

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What about the solid state LIDAR mentioned by the GP?

Needs to be mounted high up and then the car doesn't look cool anymore.

As far as I understood the Volvo LIDAR is windshield mounted?

http://www.sae.org/dlymagazineimages/web/516/11702_15456.jpg

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