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Whoa...reading that doesn't rub me the right way at all . I trust Tesla, though, so maybe I'm misreading/misinterpreting it.
Why do you trust Tesla? In what ways are their interests aligned with yours?
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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
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#192I get that tech companies want self-driving cars really bad because they smell billions of dollars in "disruption" but no matter how good AI gets, I have a suspicion it won't actually do better than a decent human driver can do. It's not about processing speed, it's about experience and reflexes, which granted, not everyone has. Let's see a self-driving car win a Formula 1 race--and even that controlled racetrack env…
> I have a suspicion it won't actually do better than a decent human driver can do.
I have the opposite opinion. I don't think self-driving cars are going to start on ALL roads, but on specific routes that are expanded as required. Eventually all routes will be covered, but it will take time. In truth, 90% (99%?) of my driving is on the same routes, so I don't think this is going to be a major issue.
In the end, I don't think this is going to be about what you, me, or even Tesla thinks. It will be about what insurance companies think. If self-driving cars turn out to be as good as they are promised to be, having a license for driving a car yourself will get more and more expensive. As more riskier drivers have less licenses, those insurance fees will ratchet up and ratchet up, until they are prohibitively expensive.
There's a model for this type of thing... Singapore. This is the type of place that I think will use self-driving cars first. When it starts to happen, I think the transition is going to be very quick.
Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
#193I get that tech companies want self-driving cars really bad because they smell billions of dollars in "disruption" but no matter how good AI gets, I have a suspicion it won't actually do better than a decent human driver can do. It's not about processing speed, it's about experience and reflexes, which granted, not everyone has. Let's see a self-driving car win a Formula 1 race--and even that controlled racetrack env…
>In terms of safety, people will still lose their lives, they will just die from different kinds of car accidents than the kinds we have now If self driving cars kill 20 thousand people a year, it would still be a major improvement. 30 thousand people die every year from human drivers.
I don't think stats will be enough to overcome the human perception factor. Self driving cars have what I consider to be an insurmountable pr problem.
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#194More cameras. Better sonars (very short range). Better radar processing, but apparently the same old single radar at bumper height. Still no windshield-height radar. No radar scanning in elevation. No LIDAR. That's a better, but still weak sensor suite. It's probably enough for freeway driving under good conditions. It's far below Google's sensor suite. Or Volvo's. Now they just have to write software smart enough to…
> That's a better, but still weak sensor suite. All you have is two overlapping cameras with poor resolution and they let you behind the wheel, right? This is a software and processing hardware problem only . Human beings drive OK for the most part and we don't have lidar/radar/sonar/etc. With 8 cameras providing 360 vision and an advanced NVIDIA hardware suite, this problem is entirely solvable and this is a very re…
Hey, the human eye is a damn fine camera and has the equivalent of a room's worth of NVidia cards in processing power behind it. It does have very poor depth perception compared to radar or lidar, a quite limited field of view, and an inability to see through fog but lets not sell a person short.
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#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
>In terms of safety, people will still lose their lives, they will just die from different kinds of car accidents than the kinds we have now If self driving cars kill 20 thousand people a year, it would still be a major improvement. 30 thousand people die every year from human drivers.
I don't think stats will be enough to overcome the human perception factor. Self driving cars have what I consider to be an insurmountable pr problem.
I think americans are going to get left behind in this technology. It's not just the crumbling infrastructure, it's the lack of public transport options. I expect there will be plenty of cities around the world that will be adopting self-driving car technology long before the US does.
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Pilot here. Airplanes have autopilot. While on autopilot you are still expected to be monitoring the flight and take control at a moments notice. Autopilot does not allow the pilot to take a nap or go in the back and party with the flight attendants. Autopilot is the correct term. I'm tired of always having to cater to the lowest common denominator.
The problem is that most consumers, like parent poster, do not really understand what pilots do, or that an autopilot simply holds the course steady (in the simplest form, at least). Combine ignorance with misguided self-righteousness, and we get...this mess.
Not to mention, plane autopilots don't have to worry about traffic.
Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
#197I get that tech companies want self-driving cars really bad because they smell billions of dollars in "disruption" but no matter how good AI gets, I have a suspicion it won't actually do better than a decent human driver can do. It's not about processing speed, it's about experience and reflexes, which granted, not everyone has. Let's see a self-driving car win a Formula 1 race--and even that controlled racetrack env…
Human drivers who generally do a decent job still have bad days. They still get tired and distracted. They still can't see 360 degrees around them all the time.
Each new human driver also has to be trained from scratch; when we're starting out, we're dangerous, all of us. An experienced human can't download their knowledge into a new driver telepathically. But software (including AI models trained with data from millions of road miles) can be copied into new cars, no problem.
> It's actually harder to drive on the typical American roadways than it is to be on a track.
Highway driving is relatively easy to automate, compared to driving on surface streets with pedestrians, bicycles, etc. Even if self-driving only worked on the highway, it'd still free up a huge amount of time for a lot of commuters. That'd be worth it even if self-driving cars didn't improve the accident rate.
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#198Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's great that they're taking the big risks needed to move the industry forward, and not letting the lawyers run the company. But some of the risks they're taking are just completely stupid and unnecessary, such as calling their assisted cruise control "Autopilot." That's like waving the proverbial cape at the proverbial bull.
Pilot here. Airplanes have autopilot. While on autopilot you are still expected to be monitoring the flight and take control at a moments notice. Autopilot does not allow the pilot to take a nap or go in the back and party with the flight attendants. Autopilot is the correct term. I'm tired of always having to cater to the lowest common denominator.
>>Autopilot is the correct term. I'm tired of always having to cater to the lowest common denominator.
Your argument fails as the analogy of car drivers with airplane pilots fails on various grounds.
a. The airplanes, which provides autopilot facility, their pilots have to undergo more rigorous and stringent training than what a ordinary car driver has to undergo
b. for different types of airplane autopilot systems the pilots have to undergo different types of trainings (you have not mentioned what kind of autopilot you have used, but I'd doubt if your autopilot training on one type of plane will automatically certify you to drive all kinds of auto-pilot planes out there, even within the same airplane category)
c. what Tesla is doing is on one hand it is saying (in fact, screaming in its adverts) that "we are bringing autopilot in cars", "we are bringing autopilot in cars" but when it actually is bringing just a driver assistance system and when that causes accidents, Tesla is putting blame on the customers for not understanding what is autopilot. This is not fair, as Tesla does NOT put any requirement for more rigorous and stringent training for its drivers the way airplane manufacturers/airliners put. So, Tesla is playing with the lives of not only its drivers but also of the other road users.
You are welcome to counter-argue my points. But this too much hoohaa about auto-pilot by Tesla and the subsequent bad publicity it is going to bring them is not good for them. People will not be subtle then because Tesla is not being subtle in their adverts now.
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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
#199I think what people are missing here is an understanding of how these systems are tested and deployed at scale. While I have no involvement with Tesla I do have first-hand knowledge of similar programs at tier 1 automotive suppliers. The suppliers provide (or are looking to provide) an electronics suite to car manufacturers. The car manufacturers want the system to be safe lest they be sued out of existence. One part…
How is this a "brilliant" shortcut if what they cut short is the testing that you say is required to make these things safe????
This move sounds like a terrible idea with respect to what you say!
It's like aerospace companies deciding to forego testing and calling that a "brilliant move!"
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#200The former head of Google's self-driving car project has said that self-driving cars are decades into the future.* Even if that's too pessimistic, nobody today knows what a self-driving car will look like, what kind of algorithms it will run, and what kind of sensors it will need to get there. I'm afraid this pronouncement is another sign that Mr. Musk is taking his investors for a ride.
* http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/self...