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All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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This is a big deal, actually. It's a EULA for cars.

Which will only last if they're the only ones that can make self-driving cars I would think. Edit: Though you can have your car join that network sooo. Mostly just means they don't want to sell to Uber, heh.

Nah, the other companies will slap them on too.

People need to fight this BS.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Will this new neural net and hardware be capable of advanced object detection? For instance if a plastic bag or piece of cardboard rolls across the highway a human driver knows it's safe to run over without stopping. Would a system like this just see an obstacle via radar and emergency brake? Google has been working on this problem for longer and they have access to the largest image/video datasets in the world to tr…

They sort of talked about this issue in their recent radar update https://www.tesla.com/blog/upgrading-autopilot-seeing-world-... They don't mention use of neural nets, but have a couple strategies for dealing with 'false positives' like you mention

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Pilot here. Airplanes have autopilot. While on autopilot you are still expected to be monitoring the flight and take control at a moments notice. Autopilot does not allow the pilot to take a nap or go in the back and party with the flight attendants. Autopilot is the correct term. I'm tired of always having to cater to the lowest common denominator.

Curious, what is "take control at a moments notice" in seconds? From what I've read about aviation, situations where really fast, let's say It seems like an airliner flying at altitude has quite large safety margins compared to a car on a highway.

Tell that to a pilot who's had an autopilot failure where a servo went crazy all of a sudden. You better act quick, especially in low visibility situations, to turn it off, or pull the circuit breaker. It might happen a bit slower than in a car, but the consequences can be much more dramatic.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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>From a PR perspective, the name was a solid gold decision. I doubt it. It creates false hopes and probably hurted/hurts them when crashs happen. The Tesla autopilot death in June was a really big thing, yet other crashes where assistant systems of other manufacturers are never in the press. Maybe because of the name, maybe because the drivers use them better? Also look at what happened recently in Germany: 1. Basica…

The autopilot in an airplane cannot be used without a pilot paying attention, either, but it is still called an autopilot. (For example, autopilots do not avoid traffic on a collision course.)

You know that; I know that; the average Joe on the street does not, and instead has a Hollywood interpretation of the term. Tesla knowingly and cynically exploits that.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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From the car purchase page, it seems that they are charging an additional $13,200 (combining the addons Enhanced Autopilot and Full Self Driving capability at $7,900 and $5,300 respectively) for the full experience: https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/models/design

And the "Full Self Driving capability" comes with quite strong limitations as well:

>It is not possible to know exactly when each element of the functionality described above will be available, as this is highly dependent on local regulatory approval.

>Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year.

Not sure why someone would risk this money if they can activate it later on (even though for slightly more) to see how the functionality will be?

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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> Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control. Not sure what to make of this. New buyers are getting less than current owners now, but expected to get much more later? I can't think of a prece…

It seems that they expect to bring back the 1.0 features by December - it looks largely an approval for the system thing, and the enhanced features later over time.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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It was already announced before, that the hardware is included. And it was clear, that it is meant to be used for autonomous driving. And as they do not have autonomous driving yet, this is indeed just hot air... How would they know it is completed if there is no demonstration of it actually working?

Looking at what is not said, my interpretation is that previous Teslas will not be software-upgraded to full autonomy because the problem is harder than they previously thought.

Their LIDAR provider pulled out and now they're switching to camera-based CV and ending development of the LIDAR branch. I think they're hoping that this approach matures enough to match the capability of LIDAR in time for them to meet their market goals.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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If you go to the order page of the Model S, it says for the "Full Self-Driving Hardware": >Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year. Interesting decision.

So is this confirmation that they are launching essentially a driverless Tesla-brand Uber competitor?

That was already confirmed.

https://www.tesla.com/blog/master-plan-part-deux

"You will also be able to add your car to the Tesla shared fleet just by tapping a button on the Tesla phone app and have it generate income for you while you're at work or on vacation"

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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Are the cars going to look like Google's and Uber's self driving cars, then? I never cared that much about self driving capabilities - I like to drive myself - and I certainly don't want to shell out $35,000 for a car with what looks like a food processor or a police emergency light mounted on the rooftop. IMHO, one of the best features of Tesla has been that they actually made EVs look like traditional cars. It migh…

Those are concept cars, concept cars always look like that before the final designs come about. Fashion does the same thing.

The 'final designs' of other companies' EVs still look ridiculous.

Volt, Leaf, i8, none of them look like regular cars like Teslas do.

Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware

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If you go to the order page of the Model S, it says for the "Full Self-Driving Hardware": >Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year. Interesting decision.

This is a big deal, actually. It's a EULA for cars.

Until it's tested in court, the legality of that restriction is highly questionable. (Which is not to say that you can ignore it with impunity. If you don't have the money for a multi-year lawsuit against a billionaire, you might not want to violate it.)

Presuming that such "EULAs for cars" are not legally binding, the next step will be cars that simply will not do the "forbidden" action, because their software detects and prevents it. Thence comes the next round of lawsuits...

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