Wow, what a bunch of negative nellies on here. I hope you people have mildly unpleasant evenings.
Congrats Tesla! That's amazing.
All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
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Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's great that they're taking the big risks needed to move the industry forward, and not letting the lawyers run the company. But some of the risks they're taking are just completely stupid and unnecessary, such as calling their assisted cruise control "Autopilot." That's like waving the proverbial cape at the proverbial bull.
I see where you're coming from, but think that's a calculated risk. From a PR perspective it generates buzz, sounds ambitious, and reflects their ambition. If you ask anybody today, "what company is interested in self-driving cars?" Their answer is going to be Tesla. They're not gonna say Apple, or Ford or Volvo or Mercedes or Mobileye or Intel. They're gonna point straight to Tesla. A big part of that is their "inac…
>From a PR perspective, the name was a solid gold decision.
I doubt it. It creates false hopes and probably hurted/hurts them when crashs happen. The Tesla autopilot death in June was a really big thing, yet other crashes where assistant systems of other manufacturers are never in the press. Maybe because of the name, maybe because the drivers use them better?
Also look at what happened recently in Germany:
1. Basically the head of the DMVs sending a letter to all Tesla owners to RTFM that it is not in fact an autopilot.
2. Department of Transportation pushing Tesla to stop using the term "autopilot" in marketing as it is misleading.
Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tesla has already said that the Model 3's safety features will come standard, though it wouldn't preclude such a lawsuit against the owner if the features weren't activated.
That makes no sense at all. Say Tesla's car could automatically brake if it sees a hazard in front of you. However, you opted out of that optional extra. You aren't paying attention whilst driving, and hit somebody. Who's fault is it? Yours for being cheap and an inattentive driver? Or Tesla's for not forcing you to give them money to pay for a feature you clearly didn't want?
Automatic braking won't be an optional extra.
Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
#64Are the cars going to look like Google's and Uber's self driving cars, then? I never cared that much about self driving capabilities - I like to drive myself - and I certainly don't want to shell out $35,000 for a car with what looks like a food processor or a police emergency light mounted on the rooftop. IMHO, one of the best features of Tesla has been that they actually made EVs look like traditional cars. It migh…
Those are concept cars, concept cars always look like that before the final designs come about.
Fashion does the same thing.
Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think it's great that they're taking the big risks needed to move the industry forward, and not letting the lawyers run the company. But some of the risks they're taking are just completely stupid and unnecessary, such as calling their assisted cruise control "Autopilot." That's like waving the proverbial cape at the proverbial bull.
I see where you're coming from, but think that's a calculated risk. From a PR perspective it generates buzz, sounds ambitious, and reflects their ambition. If you ask anybody today, "what company is interested in self-driving cars?" Their answer is going to be Tesla. They're not gonna say Apple, or Ford or Volvo or Mercedes or Mobileye or Intel. They're gonna point straight to Tesla. A big part of that is their "inac…
Maybe I'm weird, but Google would have been my first answer. Then either Tesla or Apple.
Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
#66> Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control. Not sure what to make of this. New buyers are getting less than current owners now, but expected to get much more later? I can't think of a prece…
Tesla is known for doing things without precedent. They also have the ability to push major updates OTA to their vehicles, which is what enables them to give "less" while promising more. Like the release said, they'll have the hardware, it just needs to be enabled.
This isn't that uncommon in the automotive industry tbh.
Features including performance related features have been pushed via software updates for years.
Anything from navigation to cruise control to sport packages have been deployed either OTA or via a manual update.
Tesla is just pushing it to a new limit (not necessarily a good thing) and is actually advertising every change and feature update.
Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
#67*braking (not breaking). You'd think car company staff would know how to spell a word representing 1/2 of the control space of a car. edit: fixed, never mind.
It was probably just a typo that the couple of people who wrote and edited the announcement didn't catch. I am doubtful of the correlation you are implying between their spelling of braking and their braking system.
Looks like they just fixed the typo in an OTA software update anyway.
Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
#68This is a sign of the utter commodification of hardware and the possibility that a majority of innovation in the future (with the exception of low-power wearables) lies in the realm of software and algorithms.
Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
#69How interesting. So up-coming Tesla drivers temporarily won't get fancy features. For a time, new Tesla buyers again become early adopters. But unlike traditional early adopters, who take a trade-off (on price, or features, or polish) for being first, these adopters are promised the features when they are ready. The nay-saying around Tesla is immense, even in these early HN comments. Obviously there's some risk here,…
I think it's great that they're taking the big risks needed to move the industry forward, and not letting the lawyers run the company. But some of the risks they're taking are just completely stupid and unnecessary, such as calling their assisted cruise control "Autopilot." That's like waving the proverbial cape at the proverbial bull.
Pilot here. Airplanes have autopilot. While on autopilot you are still expected to be monitoring the flight and take control at a moments notice. Autopilot does not allow the pilot to take a nap or go in the back and party with the flight attendants.
Autopilot is the correct term. I'm tired of always having to cater to the lowest common denominator.
Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
#70If you go to the order page of the Model S, it says for the "Full Self-Driving Hardware":
>Please note also that using a self-driving Tesla for car sharing and ride hailing for friends and family is fine, but doing so for revenue purposes will only be permissible on the Tesla Network, details of which will be released next year.
Interesting decision.