Tesla may also want to consider better copyediting of press releases: "emergency breaking." Yeah, it happens. But it looks bad.
Musk is a notorious grammar Nazi, so he may go after whomever is responsible. They could be in trouble.
All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
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#32So self-driving will be a standard feature of Model 3, not an option? Pretty cool if they can make it work. I'm skeptical that the computer (NVIDIA Drive PX 2 perhaps?) will have enough power to do it all without LIDAR.
The hardware will be standard, but almost certainly you'll pay extra to enable it. (If they do it the same as similar features in the past, there will be a discount to enable it at order, or you can do it later at a slight premium.)
That'll be an interesting court case: the first time a fatality is the result of unactivated safety features on a car that's fully capable of preventing a collision.
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#33> Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control. Not sure what to make of this. New buyers are getting less than current owners now, but expected to get much more later? I can't think of a prece…
I wonder how much it would cost to add hardware for both Autopilot v1.0 and v2.0 for the gap models, so new customers don't have to make the sacrifice. Lack of complete Autopilot for a while is fine, but lack of emergency braking increases your life risk.
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#34It was already announced before, that the hardware is included. And it was clear, that it is meant to be used for autonomous driving. And as they do not have autonomous driving yet, this is indeed just hot air... How would they know it is completed if there is no demonstration of it actually working?
Looking at what is not said, my interpretation is that previous Teslas will not be software-upgraded to full autonomy because the problem is harder than they previously thought.
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#35Who's providing all this hardware? EIGHT surround cameras and TWELVE ultrasonic sensors: Are they building this in house too? If not, that's a lot of business to a supplier... all I could find about camera suppliers for Tesla was their former camera (tech?) supplier Mobileye.
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#36How interesting. So up-coming Tesla drivers temporarily won't get fancy features. For a time, new Tesla buyers again become early adopters. But unlike traditional early adopters, who take a trade-off (on price, or features, or polish) for being first, these adopters are promised the features when they are ready. The nay-saying around Tesla is immense, even in these early HN comments. Obviously there's some risk here,…
I wonder how much it has to do with the autopilot death:
https://www.tesla.com/blog/tragic-loss
EDIT: no idea why the downvotes, I'm all for self driving cars, but pretty obviously they could be scared of PR issues and lawsuits.
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#37>While this is occurring, Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control. But not software and they don't even have confidence in their current implementation? It's not surprising considering the…
i don't think they ever believed the previous sensors were capable of "full autonomy". the reason they didn't throw in all these sensors sooner is that it would have been a premature optimization considering their lack of experience and also pretty expensive in terms of the hardware (which includes the GPUs necessary to make use of the sensors).
Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
#38> Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control. Not sure what to make of this. New buyers are getting less than current owners now, but expected to get much more later? I can't think of a prece…
I wonder how much it has to do with the autopilot death:
Re: All Tesla Cars Being Produced Now Have Full Self-Driving Hardware
#39It was already announced before, that the hardware is included. And it was clear, that it is meant to be used for autonomous driving. And as they do not have autonomous driving yet, this is indeed just hot air... How would they know it is completed if there is no demonstration of it actually working?
Looking at what is not said, my interpretation is that previous Teslas will not be software-upgraded to full autonomy because the problem is harder than they previously thought.
And in actually announcing this commitment now, that this one would be the final hardware, could also be just forced, as they need to sell it to all the people getting cars now with temporary less functionality.
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#40>While this is occurring, Teslas with new hardware will temporarily lack certain features currently available on Teslas with first-generation Autopilot hardware, including some standard safety features such as automatic emergency breaking, collision warning, lane holding and active cruise control. But not software and they don't even have confidence in their current implementation? It's not surprising considering the…
This means they don't have confidence in running the same tried and tested programs on a completely new platform they just launched. Which makes complete sense, wouldn't it be irresponsible otherwise? It gives them time to confirm a new technology and update their maps of areas with information from the new wavelengths they're just now gathering.
> It gives them time to confirm a new technology and update their maps of areas with information from the new wavelengths they're just now gathering.
Fair enough. I just tried to do a diff between the versions:
Current implementation [0]
* Camera module in the front
* Front-facing Radar
* 12 ultrasonic sensors
New implementation:
* 8 surround cameras
* Front-facing radar
* 12 ultrasonic sensors (updated)
[0]: https://www.quora.com/What-kind-of-sensors-does-the-Tesla-Mo...
So the difference is basically just a few extra cameras and updates to the sensors. It doesn't seem like a huge step or completely new platform - at least when looking at the components.