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Post by clifanatic »

mobiuscog wrote: post #34
viraptor wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> simply by 'accidentally' going to the wrong website, be exposed to imagery Is that a real problem though? You did quote the accidentally after all. Both kids and adults have access to things they seek - whether that's going to be internet, magazine brought to school, or some other means. If they don't seek such content, they won't see much more than what's already available to everyone in the daily mail. I think th…

It's certainly easy to stumble across unsavoury content - I have done so accidentally in the past and was amazed how easy it was. I can't say how much of a problem it is, but then I suspect nobody can. As a parent (and yes, as stated already, I do limit internet access) I know that most parents definitely wouldn't want these things to be viewed early in life - I have no problem with adults viewing whatever they want,…

> I have done so accidentally in the past

Did your wife believe you?

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Post by gaur »

mobiuscog wrote: post #2

Something has to be done. It's not just about porn or violence of NSFL etc... but there is a serious problem on the internet, that is always lambasted with the "Won't somebody think of the children" memes. When society has reached a point that anybody with internet access can, simply by 'accidentally' going to the wrong website, be exposed to imagery that really is not going to help them be well-adjusted in life, wit…

> imagery that really is not going to help them be well-adjusted in life

Citation needed.

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Post by eonw »

this didnt work for germany, wont work for the UK either. most of the "porn" companies in the UK are only there to make use of tax advantages and billing, they are just shells that allow the parent company to move money through the UK to tax havens and mitigate risks. very very few porn companies are truly based in the UK, which means none will follow the rules.

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Post by viraptor »

Unbeliever69 wrote: post #152
viraptor wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to filter traffic at home, I don't think it's that hard. There's a whole industry trying to solve that problem. Google "internet family filter" and choose one. Your ISP probably provides one as well (my last 3 ISPs did) I'll likely use one as well when I have kids. But I'm absolutely against any government program to enforce the same. But my experience is much different. Apart from sexualised models adver…

It is SO easy to break NetNanny an the like. They don't work. Any 12 year old determined kid can figure it out. MAYBE if you combined a family friendly ISP with a parental controlled fire wall, AND several layers of software/browser based filtering this could be accomplished. Putting this aside, no matter how much you protect your children at home, you can't protect them away from home.

mobiuscog's comment was in the context of accidental content, not one you want to find. There's no solution for the later.

And I'm not sure stacking protection helps. There's going to be a massive overlap in the lists of those services.

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Post by emp_zealoth »

Bartweiss wrote: post #116
pmlnr wrote: post #42

> "all the porn sites operating in Britain" So... only .co.uk, or full 3/4 of the internet, including Tumblr? This is, of course, is a question for what counts as "operating in Britain". A site that is running on servers in Britain? A site that is owned by a British company? A site that happens to be available on the greater internet? Gosh, countries and borders became relics when the internet got spread wide enough.

In this case, every site they can identify. Broadly, UK law is restricted to UK companies for material which is illegal to post . So libelous sites hosted outside the country aren't censored, because the libel isn't 'located' in the UK (yes, this is a tortured analysis). But the UK has more recently established a China-style firewall that restricts access to sites hosted anywhere, based on where you view from. Origin…

They also block Library Genesis, not exactly sure on what grounds...

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Post by emp_zealoth »

DanBC wrote: post #199
nightspirit wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The less you talk about drinking the more he'll hide it from you. Ditto with gambling and sex. My parents talked about everything besides sex and I never drank or gambled in excess. And I'll leave this post at that.

Have you ever spoke to someone dependent on alcohol? Because the vast majority of those people say that they were brought up around alcohol. I'm not trying to say that it causes alcoholism. I'm just responding to someone dumping a useless anecdote.

How about you deal with your irrelevant problem on your own?

Maybe don't let your kid that DOESNT EVEN READ yet zombiefy itself?

Maybe complain to Google/Apple about particular ads? Install some ad blocking software? Pay for youtube red? Purchase the ad-less versions of the apps?

Basically don't think that your inability to deal with the world warrants nationwide heavy handed regulation, please

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Post by godDLL »

mobiuscog wrote: post #2

Something has to be done. It's not just about porn or violence of NSFL etc... but there is a serious problem on the internet, that is always lambasted with the "Won't somebody think of the children" memes. When society has reached a point that anybody with internet access can, simply by 'accidentally' going to the wrong website, be exposed to imagery that really is not going to help them be well-adjusted in life, wit…

I am of the opinion that your post does not clearly demonstrate the existence of any problem, thereby a necessity of a solution to said supposed problem; or anything at all except maybe some xeno and nimby.

But I might be missing something. Perhaps a negative effect in academic studies, or maybe working life was shown by a number of conclusive studies as in recent years? Am I missing something?

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Post by godDLL »

nightspirit wrote: post #200
dintech wrote: post #96

Government, this is VPN. VPN, meet government. You guys aren't going to get along but I thought you should know about each other.

VPN hosting country, these are drones. Drones, meet the VPN host country... Or heck, just strong-arm them into adopting think-of-the-children laws one way or another.

So, drones meet China?

How many would you send?

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Post by drvdevd »

mobiuscog wrote: post #2

Something has to be done. It's not just about porn or violence of NSFL etc... but there is a serious problem on the internet, that is always lambasted with the "Won't somebody think of the children" memes. When society has reached a point that anybody with internet access can, simply by 'accidentally' going to the wrong website, be exposed to imagery that really is not going to help them be well-adjusted in life, wit…

I think the answer is primarily non-technical. I believe we have to find healthy ways for people to express themselves and especially to communicate what makes them feel "not well-adjusted". Censorship doesn't solve these issues for any age group. Like prohibition, it simply shifts the problems around or sweeps them under the rug, thereby distorting the actual issue (which never goes away): humans have a vast array of choices.. how do we make the right ones? When it comes to porn, I think this is a question of social pressure like anything else: sex exists and it's not necessarily the way it's protrayed in porn. As soon as you're old enough to find your way to this sort of content, someone needs to have that conversation with you.

We need more empathy, more listening, more communication - not less.

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Post by krapp »

Asooka wrote: post #63
krapp wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outside of, maybe, image searches and 4chan (where there are no filters at all), it's not that easy to accidentally stumble across pornographic images on the web nowadays. Legitimate sites with a vested interest in preventing minors viewing inappropriate content will make that content opt-in. I don't see a problem when you have to go looking for it to find it. At that point it's not the fault of the internet, but som…

> 4chan (where there are no filters at all), Except that's wrong. All forms of child pornography are banned and posting one nets you a permanent ban. Several boards (i.e. everything outside the 18+ section) disallow posting any erotic content and doing so gets you a ban. 4chan was never meant as a free-for-all.

It's not entirely wrong.

Child pornography is banned, but because moderators have to see it to ban it, and because the entire site is public, it's still possible for a user to encounter it without wanting to.

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