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Re: The importance of “http://”

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Post by alextgordon »

moe wrote: post #5
rubyrescue wrote: post #4

try it - if you copy from the bar it adds http:// into the buffer

I did and it doesn't . On OSX. When pasting into adium. It seems to work when pasting into a terminal. Haven't tried other apps, yet. And yes, that's a big problem. I don't want to double-check my urls when pasting them into various messengers, skype or whatever. Here's a tip google: If you can't implement it 200% reliable then don't f-ck with something as essential as URL copy/paste. People will not be amused at all…

Adium uses rich text. The person on the other end gets it in the form

    example.com/foo (http://example.com/foo)
It's a bug in Chromium, but also an annoying idiosyncrasy of Adium.

PS: Sorry, I accidentally downvoted you.

Re: The importance of “http://”

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Post by nhebb »

mansr wrote: post #8

This reminds me of what happened when Microsoft decided to trim known suffixes off displayed filenames. Has everybody forgotten the hot-babe.jpg.exe viruses? With unicode allowed in domain names, it's only a matter of time before someone registers http：／／gmail.com.

They still do that. One of the first things I do on a new Windows system is to turn that "feature" off.

Re: The importance of “http://”

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Post by ugh »

ay wrote: post #3
nudge wrote: post #2

Jeez. I really don't get the fuss about this. 99% of web users probably won't even notice, except they might be pleased with the removal of the incomprehensible (and, for years now, unnecessary for input) code in front of the part of the website address they recognise and understand. And for everybody else, what exactly is the problem? Copy/paste? I'm sure that can be fixed, even if it means the user setting "show ht…

- it makes the system second-guess in more places. Means more complexity - understandingly some bugs to fix (tinyurl.com/http-strip) - the users will alter their behavior when mentioning the URLs (as I did just above). And will wonder why they are not linkable. Now either the site owners have to jump through the hoops to replicate the second-guessing logic to their sites, or everyone who views the URL, will have to c…

- the users will alter their behavior when mentioning the URLs (as I did just above). And will wonder why they are not linkable.

What?! I know of no one who ever, ever, ever said http:// when mentioning a URL. I certainly don’t do that.

Re: The importance of “http://”

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Post by isleyaardvark »

nudge wrote: post #2

Jeez. I really don't get the fuss about this. 99% of web users probably won't even notice, except they might be pleased with the removal of the incomprehensible (and, for years now, unnecessary for input) code in front of the part of the website address they recognise and understand. And for everybody else, what exactly is the problem? Copy/paste? I'm sure that can be fixed, even if it means the user setting "show ht…

I have to wonder how it is a "massive improvement for simplicity for most web users". Here's a question: What problem does this solve for most users? Was the existence of "http:// at the beginning of a url actually a problem for most users? If it's to emphasize the domain, Google Chrome 5.0 beta on OS X and IE8 both have domain highlighting, without breaking copy/paste.

I would also dispute the idea that only a "small percentage of users who would ever need or want the 'http:// there." Facebook and Twitter can drive as much traffic to some sites as Google. Breaking copy/paste doesn't help in sharing links.

Re: The importance of “http://”

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Post by ay »

ugh wrote: post #13
ay wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- it makes the system second-guess in more places. Means more complexity - understandingly some bugs to fix (tinyurl.com/http-strip) - the users will alter their behavior when mentioning the URLs (as I did just above). And will wonder why they are not linkable. Now either the site owners have to jump through the hoops to replicate the second-guessing logic to their sites, or everyone who views the URL, will have to c…

- the users will alter their behavior when mentioning the URLs (as I did just above). And will wonder why they are not linkable. What?! I know of no one who ever, ever, ever said http:// when mentioning a URL. I certainly don’t do that.

  #define mention(url) type_or_paste_into_facebook(url)
Sorry that my wording was unclear. "referencing in writing elsewhere" might have been a better one.

Re: The importance of “http://”

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Post by nudge »

isleyaardvark wrote: post #14
nudge wrote: post #2

Jeez. I really don't get the fuss about this. 99% of web users probably won't even notice, except they might be pleased with the removal of the incomprehensible (and, for years now, unnecessary for input) code in front of the part of the website address they recognise and understand. And for everybody else, what exactly is the problem? Copy/paste? I'm sure that can be fixed, even if it means the user setting "show ht…

I have to wonder how it is a "massive improvement for simplicity for most web users". Here's a question: What problem does this solve for most users? Was the existence of " http:// at the beginning of a url actually a problem for most users? If it's to emphasize the domain, Google Chrome 5.0 beta on OS X and IE8 both have domain highlighting, without breaking copy/paste. I would also dispute the idea that only a "sma…

Copy/paste seems to be working perfectly well on Chrome for me. And if there are other buggy cases, why are you assuming they cannot be fixed? Facebook and twitter will work just fine.

The problem it solves is one of simplicity. http doesn't mean anything to many people. I happen to like it gone - it's a redundant piece of information removed from my UI. I appreciate that.

Re: The importance of “http://”

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Post by daleharvey »

nudge wrote: post #2

Jeez. I really don't get the fuss about this. 99% of web users probably won't even notice, except they might be pleased with the removal of the incomprehensible (and, for years now, unnecessary for input) code in front of the part of the website address they recognise and understand. And for everybody else, what exactly is the problem? Copy/paste? I'm sure that can be fixed, even if it means the user setting "show ht…

I agree, when I am browsing urls are as good as irrelevant to me, obviously when I have my developer hat on I need to see them.

when I seen the april fools joke about the redesign of ie9 I thought it looked awesome - http://livesino.net/archives/2587.live

Re: The importance of “http://”

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Post by chaosmachine »

ay wrote: post #3
nudge wrote: post #2

Jeez. I really don't get the fuss about this. 99% of web users probably won't even notice, except they might be pleased with the removal of the incomprehensible (and, for years now, unnecessary for input) code in front of the part of the website address they recognise and understand. And for everybody else, what exactly is the problem? Copy/paste? I'm sure that can be fixed, even if it means the user setting "show ht…

- it makes the system second-guess in more places. Means more complexity - understandingly some bugs to fix (tinyurl.com/http-strip) - the users will alter their behavior when mentioning the URLs (as I did just above). And will wonder why they are not linkable. Now either the site owners have to jump through the hoops to replicate the second-guessing logic to their sites, or everyone who views the URL, will have to c…

It's a bit late in the game, but maybe we could adopt a new one-character standard to replace http:// with something shorter, but still easy to parse, like the @name system being made popular by twitter, etc. Some ideas:

:news.ycombinator.com

$news.ycombinator.com

!news.ycombinator.com

Re: The importance of “http://”

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Post by krainboltgreene »

ay wrote: post #15
ugh wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- the users will alter their behavior when mentioning the URLs (as I did just above). And will wonder why they are not linkable. What?! I know of no one who ever, ever, ever said http:// when mentioning a URL. I certainly don’t do that.

#define mention(url) type_or_paste_into_facebook(url) Sorry that my wording was unclear. "referencing in writing elsewhere" might have been a better one.

People have been using "lol, hey, go to www.google.com" for years without problems.
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