The importance of “http://”
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The importance of “http://”
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Re: The importance of “http://”
#2Jeez. I really don't get the fuss about this. 99% of web users probably won't even notice, except they might be pleased with the removal of the incomprehensible (and, for years now, unnecessary for input) code in front of the part of the website address they recognise and understand.
And for everybody else, what exactly is the problem? Copy/paste? I'm sure that can be fixed, even if it means the user setting "show http:// in my address bar" as a preference.
I read a lot on this and other websites about opinionated design. This is one of those things. The chrome team think this is a good idea. Some people disagree. As anyone who has ever run any kind of open source project can tell you, you can't just react to objections with "Okay then let's switch it back". At some point you have to actually make your own decision, weighing up the benefits against the costs, taking into account the number of people experiencing each.
In this case, it seems like a massive improvement for simplicity for most web users, and a trivial, surely quite easily fixed bug for an unknown percentage of the small percentage of users who would ever need or want the 'http:// there.
Just my opinion. I would be interested to hear what other people think.
Re: The importance of “http://”
#3Jeez. I really don't get the fuss about this. 99% of web users probably won't even notice, except they might be pleased with the removal of the incomprehensible (and, for years now, unnecessary for input) code in front of the part of the website address they recognise and understand. And for everybody else, what exactly is the problem? Copy/paste? I'm sure that can be fixed, even if it means the user setting "show ht…
- it makes the system second-guess in more places. Means more complexity - understandingly some bugs to fix (tinyurl.com/http-strip)
- the users will alter their behavior when mentioning the URLs (as I did just above). And will wonder why they are not linkable.
Now either the site owners have to jump through the hoops to replicate the second-guessing logic to their sites, or everyone who views the URL, will have to copy/paste manually.
Another couple of questions I will start asking as a user: why does the ftp:// thing pops up in front of the URL if I use it ? And, what is https:// and why is it suddenly there when I only want to go to gmail.com ?
This change noticeably increases the number of places which violate the principle of least surprise. But maybe I am a corner-case :-)
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And, if we look at the whole "address bar" under the same UI angle - the path and the query string is equally a useless technobabble for anyone non-geek. So, I think we would go further and just show the host name, while we are at it.
Re: The importance of “http://”
#4try it - if you copy from the bar it adds http:// into the buffer
Re: The importance of “http://”
#5try it - if you copy from the bar it adds http:// into the buffer
I did and it doesn't. On OSX. When pasting into adium.
It seems to work when pasting into a terminal. Haven't tried other apps, yet.
And yes, that's a big problem. I don't want to double-check my urls when pasting them into various messengers, skype or whatever. Here's a tip google: If you can't implement it 200% reliable then don't f-ck with something as essential as URL copy/paste. People will not be amused at all.
Re: The importance of “http://”
#6try it - if you copy from the bar it adds http:// into the buffer
I did and it doesn't . On OSX. When pasting into adium. It seems to work when pasting into a terminal. Haven't tried other apps, yet. And yes, that's a big problem. I don't want to double-check my urls when pasting them into various messengers, skype or whatever. Here's a tip google: If you can't implement it 200% reliable then don't f-ck with something as essential as URL copy/paste. People will not be amused at all…
Check if your behaviour matches one of these:
code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/list?q=label:HTTPStripping
and file a new one if not.
EDIT: I am intentionally not including the "http:// since:
* after looking at it in the omnibox, I decide I like it better this way indeed, and 6 less keystrokes. The others will have to copypaste or the webapp writers will have to figure a way to highlight it :-)
* the copypaste is not working in the linux case either, but that's one of the logged bugs.
It's really the first point that I am trying to say is the biggest impact that this change will have. "If it works in Chrome, it has to work everywhere".
Re: The importance of “http://”
#7Earlier quoted context omitted.
I did and it doesn't . On OSX. When pasting into adium. It seems to work when pasting into a terminal. Haven't tried other apps, yet. And yes, that's a big problem. I don't want to double-check my urls when pasting them into various messengers, skype or whatever. Here's a tip google: If you can't implement it 200% reliable then don't f-ck with something as essential as URL copy/paste. People will not be amused at all…
Check if your behaviour matches one of these: code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/list?q=label:HTTPStripping and file a new one if not. EDIT: I am intentionally not including the " http:// since: * after looking at it in the omnibox, I decide I like it better this way indeed, and 6 less keystrokes. The others will have to copypaste or the webapp writers will have to figure a way to highlight it :-) * the copypaste is n…
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Re: The importance of “http://”
#8This reminds me of what happened when Microsoft decided to trim known suffixes off displayed filenames. Has everybody forgotten the hot-babe.jpg.exe viruses? With unicode allowed in domain names, it's only a matter of time before someone registers http：／／gmail.com.
Re: The importance of “http://”
#9Jeez. I really don't get the fuss about this. 99% of web users probably won't even notice, except they might be pleased with the removal of the incomprehensible (and, for years now, unnecessary for input) code in front of the part of the website address they recognise and understand. And for everybody else, what exactly is the problem? Copy/paste? I'm sure that can be fixed, even if it means the user setting "show ht…
- it makes the system second-guess in more places. Means more complexity - understandingly some bugs to fix (tinyurl.com/http-strip) - the users will alter their behavior when mentioning the URLs (as I did just above). And will wonder why they are not linkable. Now either the site owners have to jump through the hoops to replicate the second-guessing logic to their sites, or everyone who views the URL, will have to c…
.com is also useless technobabble. We should strip it and only show TLDs other than com.
Re: The importance of “http://”
#10try it - if you copy from the bar it adds http:// into the buffer
I did and it doesn't . On OSX. When pasting into adium. It seems to work when pasting into a terminal. Haven't tried other apps, yet. And yes, that's a big problem. I don't want to double-check my urls when pasting them into various messengers, skype or whatever. Here's a tip google: If you can't implement it 200% reliable then don't f-ck with something as essential as URL copy/paste. People will not be amused at all…
Adium's text entry is rich text, it'll accept actual hyperlinks. Paste a URL from Chrome in and right click > 'Edit Link', it should show the correct URL, with the link text as the URL minus http://.