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Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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I'm interested in the intellectual property aspect of this.

Why exactly is it permissible for Google to "cache" my page and then serve it up to users?

That's literally them copying my page to their own servers, which is my content, my intellectual property, and then serving it up however they like.

I'm a little confused how that is legal.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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post #132

This is a good response and I appreciate Malte's effort to engage publishers, but it doesn't calm my nerves about the biggest publisher complaint about AMP: Google owns the chrome (top navigation) on all AMP pages. This makes it easy to navigate back to Google (why would you ever want to leave?) and other publishers in the AMP ecosystem, but much harder to navigate to the publisher that created the page in the first…

Ill jump on the top post for now, and recommend everyone to use Yandex Search. Yes that is right. Not duckduckgo, because that one is anyway using Google in its backend. Yandex is surprisingly good, take some time to try it out, whenever you think "oh shit results" and want to switch back to Google search, remind yourself how often you automatically rephrase your search when you dont find anything on Google either. R…

> It feels like using Google from 2004.

Did they bring back the + operator? I still miss it even if you can use quotes instead...

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

#143

>Hey, this is Malte and I am the tech lead of the AMP Project for Google. Of all his 725-words response only 18 words directly address the problem: >We’re looking at ways to make the source link more discoverable and will update once that is done. That's 2.5%. Is he really a tech lead?

This seems to compare favorably with the original article. How much information density are you expecting?

Then you go on to imply that he's unqualified to be a TL because you don't like his polite and conversational tone in an article that criticized his project?

I just don't understand HN anymore.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

#144

This is a good response and I appreciate Malte's effort to engage publishers, but it doesn't calm my nerves about the biggest publisher complaint about AMP: Google owns the chrome (top navigation) on all AMP pages. This makes it easy to navigate back to Google (why would you ever want to leave?) and other publishers in the AMP ecosystem, but much harder to navigate to the publisher that created the page in the first…

Google owns all the Chrome on Image Search too. And that didn't stop them from hotlinking to the images on your server. There's no way Google is backtracking on this because of the content owner's concerns. Maybe they'll make an exception for Germany and France, where the old image search is still live.

FYI: It's long dead in France.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think DuckDuckGo is using Google. https://duck.co/help/results/sources In fact, DuckDuckGo gets its results from over four hundred sources. These include hundreds of vertical sources delivering niche Instant Answers, DuckDuckBot (our crawler) and crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia, stored in our answer indexes). We also of course have more traditional links in the search results, which we source from Bing, Y…

Oh that is nice, was not the case last time I checked duck. Still, duckduckgo is an US company, better stay away from those given the history of last decade.

As I understand it, they've never used Google's index.

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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post #120

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> You know the cool thing about this integration ? Any part can be replaced. How do you replace search ? How do you get competitive against mail, youtube without the amount of data google uses to sell ad on them ?

All I hear is a challenge. I'm not a big data engineer, but I would be interested in seeing others take it as a challenge to develop a unique, effective, and open platform that rivals the Google monopoly.

AT & T and Standard Oil were also "challenges" and they weren't toppled by "unique, effective, and open platforms" :)

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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Amp isn't ideal, but neither is Instant Articles on Facebook. I'm hoping that Amp is really just Google training publishers how to make web pages that aren't terrible for users.

Instant articles is even worse, IMO. But Facebook is not pretending it's the next version of the Web. Google is, so they set up an expectation of Web like behaviors.

internet.org?

Re: Response from Google Tech Lead, Re: “Google May Be Stealing Your Mobile Traffic”

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post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh that is nice, was not the case last time I checked duck. Still, duckduckgo is an US company, better stay away from those given the history of last decade.

So better go with Yandex, the Russian company?

Yes, if there’s multiple international companies competing, that’s better than one (even if it might be morally good) company having a monopoly.
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